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Thnx.

I must emit that i was little disappointed when i didn't reach the advertised speeds but after a longer search and 3x new OS install, because you have to install it in EUFI modus in order for the SSD to work properly, i discovered that its the PCIe gen 2 that is holding me back..
Strange that they do advertise with speeds of gen 3 PCIe while i only get gen 2 performance.

I can surely clock it higher but i have to find out what all these settings do, its way different than the Sabertooth. I am aiming for 4.8 GHz again if i can reach that with reasonable temps.
I will report back when i know more thumb.gif

I took a look at the 950 owners thread and also at the fact it clearly states on the GB website that the slot is x4. I was wondering what if you got an adapter for the ssd and used an x16 slot on the pci-e slot. I bet you would be the first to do this.
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They sucked when I tried to RMA a 280x, was getting artifacting at stock clocks and they kept blaming the PSU (EVGA 1000w G2 and i also tried 2 other PSU's with it), ended up bringing it back to Australia with me after 1 month or back and forth with them and RMAing here, went very smoothly

Also don't appreciate being called an idiot and that i didn't have a clue what i was doing rolleyes.gif

good to hear they treat you well though, frequent customer eh? tongue.gif

That's most unfortunate and a rather disgusting way of treating customers! I had very very bad experience with Asus several times so i am not going to buy any of their products ever again.. Samsung is also very very bad from where i am living. I had some questions about the 950 Pro performance because i was curious and rather annoyed that i didn't get the advertised speeds. I first called them and they send me an email which i had to respond with resent benchmarks of the SSD. They replied with such garbage that i called them again and asked them what they were talking about. They were very unfriendly and kinda hostile so i just hang up because i don't like dealing with people like that and especially over the phone...

I hear all kinds of different story's about RMA's with different manufacturers. I always had good experience with Gigabyte customer care and i even have a phone number from an rep that if i have any questions i can call him and he will sort things out for me. I had trouble with Gigabyte when i had my first UD3 board but that was sorted out pretty quick and even with the UD5 the service was simply outstanding. I hope this will continue because you never know when its going south with these company's tongue.gif
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I took a look at the 950 owners thread and also at the fact it clearly states on the GB website that the slot is x4. I was wondering what if you got an adapter for the ssd and used an x16 slot on the pci-e lane.

I seen that also, i don't think that will make an difference but i am no expert at this so i will take a look at it.

Let me know if you found out something will you thumb.gif
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They sucked when I tried to RMA a 280x, was getting artifacting at stock clocks and they kept blaming the PSU (EVGA 1000w G2 and i also tried 2 other PSU's with it), ended up bringing it back to Australia with me after 1 month or back and forth with them and RMAing here, went very smoothly

Also don't appreciate being called an idiot and that i didn't have a clue what i was doing rolleyes.gif

good to hear they treat you well though, frequent customer eh? tongue.gif

That's most unfortunate and a rather disgusting way of treating customers! I had very very bad experience with Asus several times so i am not going to buy any of their products ever again.. Samsung is also very very bad from where i am living. I had some questions about the 950 Pro performance because i was curious and rather annoyed that i didn't get the advertised speeds. I first called them and they send me an email which i had to respond with resent benchmarks of the SSD. They replied with such garbage that i called them again and asked them what they were talking about. They were very unfriendly and kinda hostile so i just hang up because i don't like dealing with people like that and especially over the phone...

I hear all kinds of different story's about RMA's with different manufacturers. I always had good experience with Gigabyte customer care and i even have a phone number from an rep that if i have any questions i can call him and he will sort things out for me. I had trouble with Gigabyte when i had my first UD3 board but that was sorted out pretty quick and even with the UD5 the service was simply outstanding. I hope this will continue because you never know when its going south with these company's tongue.gif

Different regions + Different companies + Different customers and of course different reps on top of that

So many factors when it comes to how well a company stacks up it makes it hard to decide, easier way is reliability.......pick something that is reliable so you'll never have to deal with customer support anymore biggrin.gif
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I seen that also, i don't think that will make an difference but i am no expert at this so i will take a look at it.

Let me know if you found out something will you thumb.gif

Well if PCI-E 3.0 x4 = PCI-E 2.0 at x8 speed, I am going to assume that the M.2 slot is simply locked at x4 speeds of PCI-E 2.0. So my theory is if you use an x16 slot you would have more than enough bandwidth. So I am going to assume that x16 PCI-E 2.0 would equate to x8 PCI-E 3.0.
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Different regions + Different companies + Different customers and of course different reps on top of that

So many factors when it comes to how well a company stacks up it makes it hard to decide, easier way is reliability.......pick something that is reliable so you'll never have to deal with customer support anymore biggrin.gif

Agree on that, that's why i decided to go with Gigabyte instead of Asus, this was the second Sabertooth i had to RMA because the audio died and the SATA ports..

I never had problem with Gigabyte and i had it longer than both my Sabertooth combined.
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Well if PCI-E 3.0 x4 = PCI-E 2.0 at x8 speed, I am going to assume that the M.2 slot is simply locked at x4 speeds of PCI-E 2.0. So my theory is if you use an x16 slot you would have more than enough bandwidth. So I am going to assume that x16 PCI-E 2.0 would equate to x8 PCI-E 3.0.

Hmm, that is very interesting. Your calculations are correct, i seen similar calculations at the 950 Pro thread somewhere. I could buy an M.2 adapter to PCIe so for only 20 euro's so maybe i am going to do that.
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Hmm, that is very interesting. Your calculations are correct, i seen similar calculations at the 950 Pro thread somewhere. I could buy an M.2 adapter to PCIe so for only 20 euro's so maybe i am going to do that.

Cool I 'll be looking forward to that.
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Thnx.

I must emit that i was little disappointed when i didn't reach the advertised speeds but after a longer search and 3x new OS install, because you have to install it in EUFI modus in order for the SSD to work properly, i discovered that its the PCIe gen 2 that is holding me back..
Strange that they do advertise with speeds of gen 3 PCIe while i only get gen 2 performance.

I can surely clock it higher but i have to find out what all these settings do, its way different than the Sabertooth. I am aiming for 4.8 GHz again if i can reach that with reasonable temps.
I will report back when i know more thumb.gif

I took a look at the 950 owners thread and also at the fact it clearly states on the GB website that the slot is x4. I was wondering what if you got an adapter for the ssd and used an x16 slot on the pci-e slot. I bet you would be the first to do this.

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I seen that also, i don't think that will make an difference but i am no expert at this so i will take a look at it.

Let me know if you found out something will you thumb.gif

Well if PCI-E 3.0 x4 = PCI-E 2.0 at x8 speed, I am going to assume that the M.2 slot is simply locked at x4 speeds of PCI-E 2.0. So my theory is if you use an x16 slot you would have more than enough bandwidth. So I am going to assume that x16 PCI-E 2.0 would equate to x8 PCI-E 3.0.

NOT the way PCIE works.


PCIE has lanes,
but putting a chip with 2 lanes or 4 lanes into a x16 slot, means that slot will run at 2 or 4 lanes

you CAN put a x16 lane slot into a x1/4/8 lane slot and it WILL run at x1/4/8
or an x8 into a x1/4 and it will run at x1/4
or x4 into an x1 and it will run at x1

but take a x1/4/8 and install into a slot with more lanes and it will only run at the rated amount

this is why ( unfortunately there was a great article i read on ocn that i cant find ) PCIe is pretty amazing, you can physically cut off the fingers ( where it goes into the slot ) on your GPU at certain points. and it will still function - there have been several mods that do this ! and you can also snap off the back of the PCIE slot and fit a longer card in a smaller slot.

the more lanes it has ( the card ) the faster it runs, it scales really well that way.

with that said, m.2 PCIE ssds can only have up to x4 pcie lanes you cant change that, electronically that it what is printed on the board.

so putting it into a x8/x16 slot just means that slot will only run at x4

pcie 2 vs 3 - each lane has a certain bandwidth, that pcie3 x1 slot has as much bandwidth as pcie2 x2 but if something ONLY has x1 ( electrically ) then it is bound to the pcie generation bandwidth of the board ( assuming it is the latest pcie- currently pcie3 )
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All that being understood, I am trying to find out if indeed it is electronically locked at x4. If it is then that pretty much defeats the point of the adapter. I my self have not found that information of it being locked at x4 pci-e 3.0 electronically. I know you clearly stated that by design M.2 ssd are x4 and it cannot be changed. Still though I am hard headed and want find out besides there is no harm in finding out the hard way that you are right lol.
Edited by Kalistoval - 1/28/16 at 4:57am
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