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Game reviews don't interest me one bit. I'm in it for raw horsepower. Gaming involves too many variables. I have to believe that all the benchers at HWBot would have figured out by now if Broadwell was actually better than skylake. Could have been as simple as the inital versions of DDR4 memory causing issue.
Here is a bit that includes info about non-gaming tasks:

Intel’s Skylake lineup is robbing us of the performance king we deserve
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Intel's range of sixth-generation Core processors, codenamed Skylake, is now public. And boy, am I disappointed.

Tech Report's review of the first Skylake processors included scores from the 5775C, and in games the performance was remarkable. The 65W 3.3-3.7GHz i7-5775C beat the 91W 4-4.2GHz Skylake i7-6700K. The Skylake processor has a higher clock speed, it has a higher power budget, and its improved core means that it executes more instructions per cycle, but that enormous L4 cache meant that the Broadwell could offset its disadvantages and then some. In CPU-bound games such as Project Cars and Civilization: Beyond Earth, the older chip managed to pull ahead of its newer successor.

The effect was far from universal. The 5775C gives up a lot in clock speed (and power consumption) to the 6700K, and with that advantage, the Skylake part often wins. But in memory-intensive workloads, such as some games and scientific applications, the cache is better than 21 percent more clock speed and 40 percent more power. That's the kind of gain that doesn't come along very often in our dismal post-Moore's law world.

Those 5775C results tantalized us with the prospect of a comparable Skylake part. Pair that ginormous cache with Intel's latest-and-greatest core and raise the speed limit on the clock speed by giving it a 90-odd W power envelope, and one can't help but imagine that the result would be a fine processor for gaming and workstations alike.

But imagine is all we can do because Intel isn't releasing such a chip.
He's wrong about one thing. They'll be releasing such a chip... as Kaby Lake. biggrin.gif
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I usually go by people who Overclock and look at the results there. here's two pics can you tell which is which. Both are clocked at 5.0




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One benchmark isn't really comprehensive. It's impressive, though, that someone managed to get Broadwell to 5 GHz without killing it.
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One benchmark isn't really comprehensive. It's impressive, though, that someone managed to get Broadwell to 5 GHz without killing it.

ok then......go look at all of them:

http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/core_i7_6700k/

http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/core_i7_5775c/

Keep fighting the good fight though biggrin.gif
 
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ok then......go look at all of them:

http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/core_i7_6700k/

http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/core_i7_5775c/

Keep fighting the good fight though biggrin.gif
When my point was about which CPU overclocks better I'll let you know.
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ok then......go look at all of them:

http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/core_i7_6700k/

http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/core_i7_5775c/

Keep fighting the good fight though biggrin.gif
When my point was about which CPU overclocks better I'll let you know.

aw cmon.....you can't change the parameters to suit your side of it.

you have to look at the overall picture here

question you should be asking isn't why didn't Skylake come with EDram it's actually why was Broadwell so expensive? wink.gif
 
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aw cmon.....you can't change the parameters to suit your side of it.
Exactly. Since I was talking about stock performance you don't get to change the parameters.
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question you should be asking isn't why didn't Skylake come with EDram it's actually why was Broadwell so expensive?
You mean the Broadwell that's cheaper than Skylake?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1181928-REG/intel_bx80658i75775c_core_i7_5775c_3_3_ghz.html

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Boxed-I7-6700K-Processor-BX80662I76700K/dp/B012M8LXQW

OK.
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aw cmon.....you can't change the parameters to suit your side of it.
Exactly. Since I was talking about stock performance you don't get to change the parameters.
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question you should be asking isn't why didn't Skylake come with EDram it's actually why was Broadwell so expensive?
You mean the Broadwell that's cheaper than Skylake?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1181928-REG/intel_bx80658i75775c_core_i7_5775c_3_3_ghz.html

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Boxed-I7-6700K-Processor-BX80662I76700K/dp/B012M8LXQW

OK.

again you changed it......I said WAS, not is.

Skylake is $30 more and part of a newer platform, it overclocks better and easier than broadwell does but all that doesn't matter because at stock the broadwell chip is faster in gaming rolleyes.gif

I'm always surprised by the people I come across in forums but i have to admit you're one of the most entertaining (after a few others of course wink.gif )
 
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Entertaining like claiming EDRAM is so expensive? The 5675C is plenty cheap and has the same amount of EDRAM as the 5775C. Just give it up, buddy.

The only time Broadwell was expensive was when Intel stopped making them which artificially increased prices. The Broadwell MSRP is not super high and never has been.

Moreover, Intel could very easily sell a Broadwell part with the GPU disabled to cut costs (using defective GPU dies) which would make Broadwell for enthusiasts even cheaper.

Skylake was released prematurely. It doesn't offer enough over Broadwell.
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Entertaining like claiming EDRAM is so expensive? The 5675C is plenty cheap and has the same amount of EDRAM as the 5775C. Just give it up, buddy.

It's $290 vs the 6600k which is $250?

Curious why you aren't mad at AMD for not making a 8 core SR chip though..........or anything above a quad core.

but that doesn't matter, Intel used TIM!!.....heathens....

you don't know why Skylake doesn't have EDRam, unless you can give me concrete proof that Skylake and Z170 can fully support it I'm putting it down to the fact they didn't have it ready when Skylake launched, sounds pretty logical to me

oh and don't worry, I'm done now, I've had my laughs for today, I thank you for that, I needed it smile.gif
 
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