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6600k = $243

5675c = $277

also, I'm not agreeing with you, you don't need to twist my words to make it that way, just provide some actual proof of what you claim and results will speak for themselves wink.gif
Every time I nail you on an erroneous point you change the subject.

The bottom line is that the 5675C shows that EDRAM is not particularly costly.

Bye. Reply with yet another irrelevant subject change and don't expect a reply.
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Are you overclocking your RAM, NB, HT and PCIe too? Cos you should be, it helps a lot.
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eh,, which looks better? they are both good Psu and both aare light years better than your old one

Well I read the reviews over at johnnyguru for both psu's. Both excellent psu's with the supernova leading in price per performance. Also the AX860i has the ability to read the power usage albeit it's probably not accurate under 50% usage. As far as look I dont know they are both cubes sometimes rectangular prism's . I have not been able to test yet but I am wondering if now with this new psu, I could lower my vcore.
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eh,, which looks better? they are both good Psu and both aare light years better than your old one

Well I read the reviews over at johnnyguru for both psu's. Both excellent psu's with the supernova leading in price per performance. Also the AX860i has the ability to read the power usage albeit it's probably not accurate under 50% usage. As far as look I dont know they are both cubes sometimes rectangular prism's . I have not been able to test yet but I am wondering if now with this new psu, I could lower my vcore.

Corsairs has a Red/Silver sticker on the side

EVGA's has Red PCIe Power cables

honestly they are both awesome PSU's, either way you go you'll be sorted smile.gif
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dear god i cant take this ANYMORE. the kitty heatsink is far superior to ANY gigabyte has,

basic thermal properties MORE surface area MORE thermal transfer

you keep assuming because YOU say something it is true, it isnt, the sabertooth is FAR superior to ANY am3+ giga board, old or new.
as above there are newer VRMS which run cooler, as to why the heatsink is HOTTER then the sabertooth, because of POOR thermal transfer

lol that is the most ridiculous thing i ever heard to be honest.. you should know better Mega.

The heat sinks are hotter NOT because of the hotter vrm's but due to the BETTER heat transfer.. seriously, what you just said made no sense at all..

I know this because i can actually measure my vrm temps on this board without any problems unlike the EC sensor on the Sabertooth that doesn't like to be monitored in the first place, but i managed to get some temp reading during stress testing.

You don't even own a new Gigabyte board and i actually owned the Sabertooth and now own the Gigabyte board.. I said the same thing about he UD5 vrm's that were also cooler than on the Sabertooth..

"basic thermal properties MORE surface area MORE thermal transfer" That doesn't make sense at all, what material they are made of is far more important than how thick it is.. as an example, a thinner copper based radiator will cool better than a thicker aluminum radiator its simply science.. I expected more from you Mega, i really do.
ok, i see where your confusion come from, let me fix it for you.

the sabertooth has EXCELLENT transfer from the VRMS to the HEATSINK, then FROM the HEATSINK to the AIR

the GIGABYTE has SOME transfer from the VRMS to the HEATSINK, then POOR heat transfer FROM the HEATSINK to the AIR resulting in a HOT heatsink, you want the heatsink to be COOL to the touch. this is cause by less surface area. and poor thermal transfer

the COLDER the heatsink the COLDER the thing trying to be cooled is ! you cant take a hot heatsink and have COLD VRMS

it is basic physics
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eh,, which looks better? they are both good Psu and both aare light years better than your old one

Well I read the reviews over at johnnyguru for both psu's. Both excellent psu's with the supernova leading in price per performance. Also the AX860i has the ability to read the power usage albeit it's probably not accurate under 50% usage. As far as look I dont know they are both cubes sometimes rectangular prism's . I have not been able to test yet but I am wondering if now with this new psu, I could lower my vcore.

he seems to be correct, but corsair usualy fails on the price the most often if the corsair is same cost and all else is equal ( wattage ect ) go with the one that fits your color scheme in your build
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Those VRM temperature readings are completely off for both of them. The temperature on MSI "DrMos VRM" appears to come from the Fintek LPC/IO "Motherboard temperature" sensor, which can be located anywhere. The VRM controller on MSI (uP1601P) doesn´t even have feedback for temperature sensors. Also the temperatures for Sabertooth VRM are too low. While the VRM controller on Sabertooth has temperature feedback for both loops (CPU & NB) the data is not available due ASUS proprietary stuff on board. Crosshair V has basically the same VRM and it runs > 80°C with 220W+ load. No VRM delivering 250W+ (as in your case) runs 5-10°C over the ambient, it is just impossible since it dissipates >45W of power at those settings.

Well, yes and no. The sensor on the GD80 is located in the center of the VRMs and it is accurate right there. I checked it with a IR thermometer and found that the top of the heat sink runs cooler than that while the bottom runs much warmer. That is an average temperature.

The Sabertooth can and does run hotter or cooler depending on air flow. I do not have a straight apples to apples comparison so this will have to do. It is the same board with different CPUs and coolers and it I believe it is the coolers that makes the difference in temperatures.

The 8350 is running at 1.524 vcore and is using the HE01 cooler which has the center fan mounted low so it is blowing air on the VRMs.

The 8370 is running at 1.5 vcore and is using a Silver Arrow IBE Extreme which locks the fans in place so the air flow is going over the top of the VRM heat sink.
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Different chips, different heat signatures. Like you said, it not a straight apples to apples comparison.

Reading through the sensors is not really an accurate way to gauge each motherboard. Maybe, at back of the board, under the VRMs themselves?
Edited by mus1mus - 2/5/16 at 10:21pm
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Mega is correct. Generally, if the actual heat sink is hotter, it means, more heat energy is "stuck" in the heat sink. Assuming the two different heat sinks were getting the same heat input from the VRMs, the hotter heat sink can't "eject" the heat energy out as fast as the cooler heat sink does.

So if the Sabertooth has hotter running VRMs than the other board AND the Sabertooth's VRM heat sink feels cooler than the other board's; it means the Sabertooth's heat sink is MUCH MUCH better than the other board's.

If the other board has cooler running VRMs (lower heat input), yet the other board's VRM heat sink feels hotter than the Sabertooth's, the VRM heat sink in the other board is much worse than the Savertooth's.

It's a pissing contest anyways, all that matters is that the respective VRMs are in their thermal envelope - consult a spec sheet. And if the board doesn't have a good Temp probe for the VRMs, it's a guess unless you really want to do an advance heat transfer analysis.

Edit: And by "feels" I mean the actual, average internal temperature of the heat sink, as the actual thermal transfer rate between the heat sink and your finger determines how hot it feels.
Edited by umeng2002 - 2/5/16 at 10:24pm
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My 4.8 GHz results:




The vrm's run a bit hot now due to high ambient temp and relatively high voltage. These are my BIOS settings:

vcore, 1.525 v in BIOS, CPU/NB voltage at 1.350 v CPU PLL voltage 2.695.

I think i might exaggerated when i was saying that the Gigabyte board runs much cooler but it is definitely cooler than on the Sabertooth at the same volts on the CPU and CPU/NB.

Sadly i don't have an screenshot of the Sabertooth vrm's but i know for 100% that they were hotter than on my G1 board. Still, everything under 100 c is quite alright for short periods of time, they are rated for 120 c + but anything below 80 c on everyday usage is just fine.

CPU temps are remarkable low considering the voltage so i am very happy with the result so far.
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Nice ad hominem rant. How about advising people to overclock their PCI-E to gain performance? biggrin.gif

Show us proof it doesn't, and show us proof of your BS claim? Although I'm going to hazard a guess that you can't and you're just making things up for the sake of it.

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Every time I nail you on an erroneous point you change the subject.

The bottom line is that the 5675C shows that EDRAM is not particularly costly.

Bye. Reply with yet another irrelevant subject change and don't expect a reply.

Oh please don't reply, it will be bliss for all of us in here, the silence will be a welcome respite.
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EK AMD LTX XSPC Nylon Dual 5.25 Reservoir Inc Laing D5  Coolgate Triple HD360 Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 Full Copper 240mm 
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