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The last you want to do is bring up country stereotypes.....Brits always lose that one so lets keep it civil eh? don't want no silly wars going on.
lol a British lady got mad at me once because she came through the grocery store I was working for and was looking for a British blend of tea...we were out and I apologized and told her it would be coming on the truck that night....she exclaimed what happened to it all a few days ago there were about ten here...so I made the joke perhaps there was a disagreement and it got tossed in the harbor....apparently that's still a sore subject after 250 years lol
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The last you want to do is bring up country stereotypes.....Brits always lose that one so lets keep it civil eh? don't want no silly wars going on.
lol a British lady got mad at me once because she came through the grocery store I was working for and was looking for a British blend of tea...we were out and I apologized and told her it would be coming on the truck that night....she exclaimed what happened to it all a few days ago there were about ten here...so I made the joke perhaps there was a disagreement and it got tossed in the harbor....apparently that's still a sore subject after 250 years lol

I laughed......I have no shame in admitting that. lachen.gif

Some people just have no sense of humour or they don't mind dishing it but can't take it smile.gif
 
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I laughed......I have no shame in admitting that. lachen.gif

Some people just have no sense of humour or they don't mind dishing it but can't take it smile.gif

aint that the truth.......i get reported for having a laugh but alot of users onhere think im funny....which i am tongue.gif....some dont understand its meant to be a joke
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Are you in Voltage offset mode? If not, your CPU will be getting the full voltage you specified, all the time. In offset mode, as Cool n' Quiet allows Windows to throttle down the CPU speed, the core voltage will drop. Also, C1E states help a good deal in power savings. I calculated a few years back that turning off C1E states on the CPU would cost an extra $12 a year in my electric bill if my PC was on like all the time...

So yes, power saving features do work, but it's up to you if you really care that much about saving a dollar or two a month on electricity.

If you put your computer to sleep all the time, then the cost difference would be much less.

When your CPU is really being utilized, it doesn't really do anything, so...

I don't remember that particular setting. It's not the same as Cool n' Quit right? I'll look for it in the bios after my IBT Freeze Test finishes.
    
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Our test system consists of an Intel Core i5 on ASRock Z97 Extreme6 Motherboard Intel Z97 chipset.

^ That's using PCIe 3.0

EDIT: Got another theory, take off your overclock on the CPU and run the tests again and tell me what you get.

I do understand that with Gen2 x4 i don't have enough bandwidth but when i add more lanes to it like Gen2 x_16 slot i do get more bandwidth or am i wrong? I just want to learn about this because there is a lot of confusing around this.

I have the same issues with no overclock. I also get the following error in Windows log: Event ID 129 Reset to device, \device\Raidport0, was issued. I have this error message several times a day now.

Only thing i could find about it that it can be driver related, the M.2 socket of my motherboard is bad or the drive is bad. I can't find any errors for the SSD and all drivers are installed without any issues.

On another note, don't you find it strange that i get below 100K IOPS with 1600 MB/s read speeds? I start thinking its the CPU that went bad like my other components when my PSU died several weeks back.. what do you think?
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Our test system consists of an Intel Core i5 on ASRock Z97 Extreme6 Motherboard Intel Z97 chipset.

^ That's using PCIe 3.0

EDIT: Got another theory, take off your overclock on the CPU and run the tests again and tell me what you get.

I do understand that with Gen2 x4 i don't have enough bandwidth but when i add more lanes to it like Gen2 x_16 slot i do get more bandwidth or am i wrong? I just want to learn about this because there is a lot of confusing around this.

I have the same issues with no overclock. I also get the following error in Windows log: Event ID 129 Reset to device, \device\Raidport0, was issued. I have this error message several times a day now.

Only thing i could find about it that it can be driver related, the M.2 socket of my motherboard is bad or the drive is bad. I can't find any errors for the SSD and all drivers are installed without any issues.

On another note, don't you find it strange that i get below 100K IOPS with 1600 MB/s read speeds? I start thinking its the CPU that went bad like my other components when my PSU died several weeks back.. what do you think?

The reason i asked about the overclock is because I was curious about whether or not it's similar to Sata SSD's in that it's dependant on single core performance (IOPS should be less at stock than overclocked)

and to the best of my knowledge x4 is still an x4 connection regardless of what slot you plug it into.

and no i seriously doubt anything is bad, I think it's either a limitation of PCIe 2.0 or the CPU's single core perf
 
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All that being understood, I am trying to find out if indeed it is electronically locked at x4. If it is then that pretty much defeats the point of the adapter. I my self have not found that information of it being locked at x4 pci-e 3.0 electronically. I know you clearly stated that by design M.2 ssd are x4 and it cannot be changed. Still though I am hard headed and want find out besides there is no harm in finding out the hard way that you are right lol.

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Aha, so if i would get my hand on an M.2 PCIe adapter and install it on x8 or x16 slot i will get better performance correct? I am still limited by PCIe gen2 but i have more lanes that way.

It might not help, M.2 SSD's by design are limited to x4 lanes regardless of pci-e revision according to the wiki. You could be the first to prove it as far as I know.

it is easy actually here

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Computer bus interfaces provided through the M.2 connector are PCI Express 3.0 (up to four lanes), Serial ATA 3.0, and USB 3.0 (a single logical port for each of the latter two)
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If that is true, than why do they put x16_2 on it is my question, that is simply false advertisement correct?

So my read and write speeds are up to spec? Explain to me than why they advertise with 20 gbps bandwidth while i am only getting 5 gbps?
not all SSDs ARE x4, some are x2, it CAN have UP TO x4

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Thnx.

I must emit that i was little disappointed when i didn't reach the advertised speeds but after a longer search and 3x new OS install, because you have to install it in EUFI modus in order for the SSD to work properly, i discovered that its the PCIe gen 2 that is holding me back..
Strange that they do advertise with speeds of gen 3 PCIe while i only get gen 2 performance.

I can surely clock it higher but i have to find out what all these settings do, its way different than the Sabertooth. I am aiming for 4.8 GHz again if i can reach that with reasonable temps.
I will report back when i know more thumb.gif

I took a look at the 950 owners thread and also at the fact it clearly states on the GB website that the slot is x4. I was wondering what if you got an adapter for the ssd and used an x16 slot on the pci-e slot. I bet you would be the first to do this.

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I seen that also, i don't think that will make an difference but i am no expert at this so i will take a look at it.

Let me know if you found out something will you thumb.gif

Well if PCI-E 3.0 x4 = PCI-E 2.0 at x8 speed, I am going to assume that the M.2 slot is simply locked at x4 speeds of PCI-E 2.0. So my theory is if you use an x16 slot you would have more than enough bandwidth. So I am going to assume that x16 PCI-E 2.0 would equate to x8 PCI-E 3.0.

NOT the way PCIE works.


PCIE has lanes,
but putting a chip with 2 lanes or 4 lanes into a x16 slot, means that slot will run at 2 or 4 lanes

you CAN put a x16 lane slot into a x1/4/8 lane slot and it WILL run at x1/4/8
or an x8 into a x1/4 and it will run at x1/4
or x4 into an x1 and it will run at x1

but take a x1/4/8 and install into a slot with more lanes and it will only run at the rated amount

this is why ( unfortunately there was a great article i read on ocn that i cant find ) PCIe is pretty amazing, you can physically cut off the fingers ( where it goes into the slot ) on your GPU at certain points. and it will still function - there have been several mods that do this ! and you can also snap off the back of the PCIE slot and fit a longer card in a smaller slot.

the more lanes it has ( the card ) the faster it runs, it scales really well that way.

with that said, m.2 PCIE ssds can only have up to x4 pcie lanes you cant change that, electronically that it what is printed on the board.

so putting it into a x8/x16 slot just means that slot will only run at x4

pcie 2 vs 3 - each lane has a certain bandwidth, that pcie3 x1 slot has as much bandwidth as pcie2 x2 but if something ONLY has x1 ( electrically ) then it is bound to the pcie generation bandwidth of the board ( assuming it is the latest pcie- currently pcie3 )

you are either willingly ignoring me or you dont believe me

i am sorry but you can not magically connect lanes to NOTHING and have it magically work

ill put it another way. since you say you are a mechanic

you have a 16 pin connector but only 4 wires are in the holes, side a and side b

side a is the ssd

if you take side a ( with only 4 wires in a 16 pin plug ) and plug it into a different ( for this make believe world we are in, it is an identical 16 pin plug ) 16 pin plug side b- with all 16 wires in it, do the other 12 wires that are not in plug a but are in plug b magically connect to something ?
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Hey guys, Ive taken a bit of a break from the world of overclocking. Would you say the Gigabyte GA-990FX UD3 is a good board for overclocking or should I go higher end? Anything better under 200€?
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Are you going to overclock a AMD 4M/8T CPU (FX-8XXX)? If that´s the case, a middle of the road, 8+2 digital phase motherboard, will be a better option, like the UD5. But the UD3 is not a bad board.

Some guys have good experience with some good value Asus boards, just wait for them and a good advice will come !

Good Luck !

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Hey guys, Ive taken a bit of a break from the world of overclocking. Would you say the Gigabyte GA-990FX UD3 is a good board for overclocking or should I go higher end? Anything better under 200€?
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Are you going to overclock a AMD 4M/8T CPU (FX-8XXX)? If that´s the case, a middle of the road, 8+2 digital phase motherboard, will be a better option, like the UD5. But the UD3 is not a bad board.

Some guys have good experience with some good value Asus boards, just wait for them and a good advice will come !

Good Luck !

The last time I overclocked an FX 8350 it was with the M5A99FX Evo and I got my 8350 up to 5.2 GHz stable. The UD3 is 8+2 at least according to Gigabyte. But IF I need to spend more I could of course go with a Sabertooth or something.
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