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Sure why not. I game on my 9370 all the time with a pair of 770s or whatever I throw in at the time if I need the 770s for another task. It's only in some games that the FX really lacks. One thing though I'd substitute the 970 gaming for the 970 Pro Aura from ASUS I reveiwed one of those recently and it's quite capable It's and extra $20 but I think it's worth it.

Unfortunately, it seems like a miracle when you tell someone he can play well with FX. The FX line is probably one of the most slandered CPU series ever. The other day, by accident, i stepped for the 100th time in a forum, where someone with 8350 had "bad performance" and there was the usual follow up of some intel users, saying the usual "yeah, FX is poor with Skyrim", "from what i remember this was always a problem with AMDs, because Skyrim uses 1 maybe 2 cores from what i remember". I also found this while googling in Reddit, but fortunately, this was posted in the Skyrim Subreddit, so there were several AMD users there to prevent the usual damage:

https://www.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/comments/2zagz6/amd_cpu_for_skyrim/

But it's still indicative of how much people are convinced that whatever problem they have, it's because of FX. They don't even ask anymore. It's so widespread that everyone "knows it". In Skyrim in particular, correct configuration of Enboost, injectors, ini files etc, is a nightmware. This guy runs 350 mods (Skyrim's own engine has a limit fof 255 mods with esp and there is a general consensus that above 140 esp, your game becomes more likely to crash, conflict, etc) and his first thought "OK, it must be FX's fault). rolleyes.gif Nevermind that Skyrim runs with 4 cores on FX8350, which isn't bad at all. Or, they want to run a gazillion of 2K/4K textures, while the game engine simply chokes because of that, but the fault is of FX.
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Sure why not. I game on my 9370 all the time with a pair of 770s or whatever I throw in at the time if I need the 770s for another task. It's only in some games that the FX really lacks. One thing though I'd substitute the 970 gaming for the 970 Pro Aura from ASUS I reveiwed one of those recently and it's quite capable It's and extra $20 but I think it's worth it.

Unfortunately, it seems like a miracle when you tell someone he can play well with FX. The FX line is probably one of the most slandered CPU series ever. The other day, by accident, i stepped for the 100th time in a forum, where someone with 8350 had "bad performance" and there was the usual follow up of some intel users, saying the usual "yeah, FX is poor with Skyrim", "from what i remember this was always a problem with AMDs, because Skyrim uses 1 maybe 2 cores from what i remember". I also found this while googling in Reddit, but fortunately, this was posted in the Skyrim Subreddit, so there were several AMD users there to prevent the usual damage:

https://www.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/comments/2zagz6/amd_cpu_for_skyrim/

But it's still indicative of how much people are convinced that whatever problem they have, it's because of FX. They don't even ask anymore. It's so widespread that everyone "knows it". In Skyrim in particular, correct configuration of Enboost, injectors, ini files etc, is a nightmware. This guy runs 350 mods (Skyrim's own engine has a limit fof 255 mods with esp and there is a general consensus that above 140 esp, your game becomes more likely to crash, conflict, etc) and his first thought "OK, it must be FX's fault). rolleyes.gif Nevermind that Skyrim runs with 4 cores on FX8350, which isn't bad at all. Or, they want to run a gazillion of 2K/4K textures, while the game engine simply chokes because of that, but the fault is of FX.

I'm a terrible person.......I run Vanilla Skyrim lachen.gif
 
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I'm a terrible person.......I run Vanilla Skyrim lachen.gif

What? eek.gif This is the end of my modlist currently:



150 mods with 113 esps (the difference between 150 and 113 are texture mods, which since they don't have esp, they don't show as esp). Vanilla Skyrim is godawful! I thank God, for the fact that i came late to Skyrim, so i started playing it with many mods. There is no comparison. It's a crime against yourself if you play unmodded Skyrim. And the performance drops i have (to 45 fps) to some areas, i know that they are because of GPU. Generally, i run with FXAA process injector at 60 fps (vsync on) in 99% of places.

Even the last mod in the list, "water arrows" is a game changer. Because, you get craftable water arrows that you can shoot at light sources and extinguish them, changing completely the sneaking part of the game. Areas with torches or fires illuminating all the room and no way to pass unoticed by enemies? Not anymore, thanks to your watery friends! biggrin.gif

The hard part, is to figure out, which mods you want, like and don't conflict with each other or are inherently unstable. This is why after 1 year from starting Skyrim, i have yet to finish it. I keep starting over with new mods... The bad thing, is that the mods write info in your savegames. So you can't remove a mod midgame, without risking save corruption or bloat. Despite the fact that there is a "savegame cleaner" mod that tries otherwise. So, if you change your mind or detect problem with a mod, the best thing is to remove and start new game, so that you don't risk ruining your save.

But, Sarge! Unmodded?! No! No! No! And a problem with Skyrim and FX, is that many people want to play with mods, but are clueless, like i was for months. I literally learnt all the basic and a few advanced stuff after more than 6 months of trial and failure. This guide should be the starting point for every user, if not for the mod selection, for the correct configuration of ini files:

http://wiki.step-project.com/STEP:2.2.9.2

I wish i had known about that months before i found it. Mod it, Sarge, mod it!
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I'm a terrible person.......I run Vanilla Skyrim lachen.gif

What? eek.gif This is the end of my modlist currently:



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Even the last mod in the list, "water arrows" is a game changer. Because, you get craftable water arrows that you can shoot at light sources and extinguish them, changing completely the sneaking part of the game. Areas with torches or fires illuminating all the room and no way to pass unoticed by enemies? Not anymore, thanks to your watery friends! biggrin.gif

The hard part, is to figure out, which mods you want, like and don't conflict with each other or are inherently unstable. This is why after 1 year from starting Skyrim, i have yet to finish it. I keep starting over with new mods... The bad thing, is that the mods write info in your savegames. So you can't remove a mod midgame, without risking save corruption or bloat. Despite the fact that there is a "savegame cleaner" mod that tries otherwise. So, if you change your mind or detect problem with a mod, the best thing is to remove and start new game, so that you don't risk ruining your save.

But, Sarge! Unmodded?! No! No! No! And a problem with Skyrim and FX, is that many people want to play with mods, but are clueless, like i was for months. I literally learnt all the basic and a few advanced stuff after more than 6 months of trial and failure. This guide should be the starting point for every user, if not for the mod selection, for the correct configuration of ini files:

http://wiki.step-project.com/STEP:2.2.9.2

I wish i had known about that months before i found it. Mod it, Sarge, mod it!

I rarely if ever play Skyrim anymore, currently hooked on Doom and The Witcher 3, then it'll be Battlfield 1 and Mass Effect: Andromeda when they launch, I've got plenty to keep me busy in the mean time smile.gif
 
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I rarely if ever play Skyrim anymore, currently hooked on Doom and The Witcher 3, then it'll be Battlfield 1 and Mass Effect: Andromeda when they launch, I've got plenty to keep me busy in the mean time smile.gif

Well, if i was running unmodded Skyrim, i wouldn't play it either. biggrin.gif Read the STEP guide and go to Skyrim Nexus and you can make Skyrim a whole new game. There are crazy mods for everything one can imagine. This one, changes even the basic war mechanic of the game. It's work in progress, but at some point it will finish. It's like making Skyrim, a Total War campaign.

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/75200/?

Or, you think you knew the Skyrim cities and are bored of the idea of seeing them again? Think again...

Mild change:
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/13608/?

Radical change:

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/74638/?

Want to speak to new NPCs?
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/8429/?

You want new NPCs but you are not the talkative type of guy?
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/36334/?

I could easily derail the entire thread, but i will stop here. tongue.gif
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I rarely if ever play Skyrim anymore, currently hooked on Doom and The Witcher 3, then it'll be Battlfield 1 and Mass Effect: Andromeda when they launch, I've got plenty to keep me busy in the mean time smile.gif

Well, if i was running unmodded Skyrim, i wouldn't play it either. biggrin.gif Read the STEP guide and go to Skyrim Nexus and you can make Skyrim a whole new game. There are crazy mods for everything one can imagine. This one, changes even the basic war mechanic of the game. It's work in progress, but at some point it will finish. It's like making Skyrim, a Total War campaign.

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/75200/?

Or, you think you knew the Skyrim cities and are bored of the idea of seeing them again? Think again...

Mild change:
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/13608/?

Radical change:

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/74638/?

Want to speak to new NPCs?
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/8429/?

You want new NPCs but you are not the talkative type of guy?
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/36334/?

I could easily derail the entire thread, but i will stop here. tongue.gif

Oh I've seen all the mods there but there is a reason I run Vanilla (beyond the fact that I cannot be bothered modding it) and that is if I ever have to benchmark it then It needs to remain standard smile.gif
 
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Oh I've seen all the mods there but there is a reason I run Vanilla (beyond the fact that I cannot be bothered modding it) and that is if I ever have to benchmark it then It needs to remain standard smile.gif

Well, the bothering part i can't solve, but the benchmark part has a solution. Mod Organizer. It keeps all the mods in its own directory and only activates them when you use them. It basically mods on the fly the game and can even keep multiple mod profiles (so you can run different characters with different mod lists at the same time). If you launch Skyrim without Mod Organizer, then you get just vanilla Skyrim and your benchmark is unaffected. Because Mod Organizer doesn't touch the folders of your "non modded" Skyrim.
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I got 30 hours into Skyrim then dropped it. After another 150 hours in The Witcher 3, I might go back.
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Oh I've seen all the mods there but there is a reason I run Vanilla (beyond the fact that I cannot be bothered modding it) and that is if I ever have to benchmark it then It needs to remain standard smile.gif

Well, the bothering part i can't solve, but the benchmark part has a solution. Mod Organizer. It keeps all the mods in its own directory and only activates them when you use them. It basically mods on the fly the game and can even keep multiple mod profiles (so you can run different characters with different mod lists at the same time). If you launch Skyrim without Mod Organizer, then you get just vanilla Skyrim and your benchmark is unaffected. Because Mod Organizer doesn't touch the folders of your "non modded" Skyrim.

Interesting......I'll have to look into that at sme point, thank you smile.gif

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I got 30 hours into Skyrim then dropped it. After another 150 hours in The Witcher 3, I might go back.

I got about 10 minutes in unmodded Skyrim, before i said "no way, there must be mods about this". The first thing that made me think "there is no way i can play this", was the terrible arrow mechanics, where in order to get to effective range with good kill probabilities, you must go almost to melee range. Even the arrow trajectory was so dumb that i couldn't believe it was happening. So then i got this:

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/58137/?

Now you can play as archer and the crosshairs actually serve a purpose.

Another major flaw of the game, is that enemies get too easy at higher levels. So now i am using:
- Skyrim Community Uncapper to gain levels at 0.35 the normal rate.
- High Level Enemies full scaled version (all enemies scale to your level).
- Ordinator perks of Skyrim (for new perk system).
- Enhanced Enemy AI Reborn (clever enemies but not uber enemies with wicked powers).

At least up to level 35 that i 've used this, seems a winner, provided you don't play with followers. If you play with followers, things change, because followers make the game easier. On the other hand, if you like taking a dozen of followers with you, you need something more hardcore, like higher game difficulty or Combat evolved or something where enemies can one shot you and you need a dozen of punch bags to take the fall for you, like "Revenge of the Enemies" (it's ridiculously difficult, with enemies 100% resistant to magic sometimes, but people that lead a herd of followers like it):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv8qM8JdiZQ

Modded Skyrim vs unmodded is like playing a fully patched game vs alpha or in best case beta game. I have a mod for pretty much every game mechanic. If you also think that there is a "Skyrim Unofficial Patch" (USLEEP), which is about 160MB and corrects countless broken quests and bugs, it's mindboggling how Bethesda released this as a "finished product".

EDIT:

Ha! Xeon x5650 @ 4.378GHz user, with 980Ti, falling to 1 fps in Whiterun:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1386833/the-overclock-net-guide-to-modifying-tesv-skyrim/870#post_24625626

The difference is, nobody will go and accuse Intel being poor for Skyrim... rolleyes.gif And after tweaking, he seems to have solved the issue. But when this happens with FX, it's always AMD's fault.

EDIT2:

There is also a remake of Morrowind using Skyrim's engine coming, entirely made by the community, called SkyWind:

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/news/12752/?
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