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And what is the point of the new Sabertooth? AM3+ is EOL isn't it? Why would ASUS make a new one so close to the end of the product cycle? Makes no sense? Maybe ASUS won't even release it. Maybe that will just end up being a stillborn prototype.

I think yesterday, i saw in a local forum a comment about a rumour-article saying that Zen release could be delayed for 2017. But i didn't pay much attention. Maybe FX still sells more than we imagine and ASUS thinks it's worthwile to hunt a piece of the pie?

One thing is for sure, when FX goes EOL, there will be FX around at bargain prices. Here already the cheapest FX4300 is down to 52 euros and the FX6300 to 86. At this pace, by December, we will be seeing 8 cores at 90 euros.

If this follows the same price pattern that happened with AM3 EOL, you will see the 4300 at 30 euros, the 6300 at 60 euros and the 8320E at 80. Maybe it will attract a wave of non gamer users. The only question is "but who non gamer will buy the Sabertooth?". The Aura has better chances of being sold.

ASUS is a bit too late in the party. Asrock and MSI were the first to release new motherboards last year, followed by Gigabyte. ASUS comes at 6 months or less from EOL...
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And what is the point of the new Sabertooth? AM3+ is EOL isn't it? Why would ASUS make a new one so close to the end of the product cycle? Makes no sense? Maybe ASUS won't even release it. Maybe that will just end up being a stillborn prototype.

I think yesterday, i saw in a local forum a comment about a rumour-article saying that Zen release could be delayed for 2017. But i didn't pay much attention. Maybe FX still sells more than we imagine and ASUS thinks it's worthwile to hunt a piece of the pie?

One thing is for sure, when FX goes EOL, there will be FX around at bargain prices. Here already the cheapest FX4300 is down to 52 euros and the FX6300 to 86. At this pace, by December, we will be seeing 8 cores at 90 euros.

If this follows the same price pattern that happened with AM3 EOL, you will see the 4300 at 30 euros, the 6300 at 60 euros and the 8320E at 80. Maybe it will attract a wave of non gamer users. The only question is "but who non gamer will buy the Sabertooth?". The Aura has better chances of being sold.

I doubt that Zen is being delayed till next year, AMD was very adamant that it was releasing in 2016.

As for the Sabertooth well......maybe they are trying to do a Rev 3 that actually works? tongue.gif
 
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lol

Most of the regulars will ask yoU for validations for those claims. Not because of anything but simply proof that you are stable. thumb.gif

I validate more then once on this thread.

4,7@1,33vcore ,20 runs IBT-AVX very high
MBO is Sabertooth
Max core temp 37 celsius,max socket 40 celsius tongue.gif




5ghz run at 1,454 vcore




4,9ghz run with 1,39vcore WIN8.1

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Get yourself one of the ASUS motherboards that under-reports voltage and you will magically have a great undervolting chip wink.gif

Let me get this straight... The ASUS motherboards show less voltage than the real one??? It's the first time i hear this. Has this been confirmed somewhere? How can one understand that it's reporting less voltage than the real one? I mean, if the motherboard itself is lying, how can you tell?!

From personal experience, I've never taken the time to figure out if my CHV-Z's under-report voltage or all the others over report voltage. The same exact chip using the same psu and cooling uses around .07 less as reported by software when paired with CHV-Z ( under load ) than my other 990 boards ( ud5,990 Gaming) to be IBT stable at 5 ghz and similar values at lower clocks on different tests.
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I doubt that Zen is being delayed till next year, AMD was very adamant that it was releasing in 2016.

As for the Sabertooth well......maybe they are trying to do a Rev 3 that actually works? tongue.gif

Yeah, i think i read they were talking about January 2017, but it would be foolish to lose the Xmas market. I really don't know the rationale behind the Sabertooth. The Aura for 100 euros, i can see it selling and even in my local Amazon, there are already reviews (most people here don't bother to write reviews, i don't either, so whatever number reviews you see, means many more purchases). The Sabertooth i don't know how they will sell it at this point... even if it's better than the previous.

I mean, the Sabertooth 3.0 would make sense for you guru guys in this thread. But, not at months before Zen! When Zen comes out, after 5 months we will be probably 4-5 people left with Visheras in the forum.
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From personal experience, I've never taken the time to figure out if my CHV-Z's under-report voltage or all the others over report voltage. The same exact chip using the same psu and cooling uses around .07 less as reported by software when paired with CHV-Z ( under load ) than my other 990 boards ( ud5,990 Gaming) to be IBT stable at 5 ghz and similar values at lower clocks on different tests.
There was an article I read about one of the CHV versions that was found to under report voltage to the cpu to the tune of up to .1 V at tested settings. It wasn't the point of the article, rather just something that they uncovered while testing. I've managed to lose the link to that article as it was on one of my old machines/hard drives.

Hah! Now that you mention it, both Seanzylol and hawker-gb run ASUS motherboards. Could it be that what you say isn't limited to CHV, but a general method in ASUS manufacturing? It would certainly explain much!

Maybe apart the "post your IBT test", now we should also say "post your motherboard manufacturer"? lachen.gif
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I doubt that Zen is being delayed till next year, AMD was very adamant that it was releasing in 2016.

As for the Sabertooth well......maybe they are trying to do a Rev 3 that actually works? tongue.gif

Yeah, i think i read they were talking about January 2017, but it would be foolish to lose the Xmas market. I really don't know the rationale behind the Sabertooth. The Aura for 100 euros, i can see it selling and even in my local Amazon, there are already reviews (most people here don't bother to write reviews, i don't either, so whatever number reviews you see, means many more purchases). The Sabertooth i don't know how they will sell it at this point... even if it's better than the previous.

I mean, the Sabertooth 3.0 would make sense for you guru guys in this thread. But, not at months before Zen! When Zen comes out, after 5 months we will be probably 4-5 people left with Visheras in the forum.

The Sabertooth will most likely be a good solid board (judging off visuals alone there) but as you said it might be a little late in the cycle for it to mean much but to be fair there are still quite a few people with Vishera out there on lower end boards that want a newer board and tbh it looks like the peak of the AM3+ platform.

I know I won't be getting rid of my Vishera platform anytime soon but when Zen comes out I'll be getting that to be my AMD system (provided I can afford it tongue.gif )
 
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From personal experience, I've never taken the time to figure out if my CHV-Z's under-report voltage or all the others over report voltage. The same exact chip using the same psu and cooling uses around .07 less as reported by software when paired with CHV-Z ( under load ) than my other 990 boards ( ud5,990 Gaming) to be IBT stable at 5 ghz and similar values at lower clocks on different tests.
There was an article I read about one of the CHV versions that was found to under report voltage to the cpu to the tune of up to .1 V at tested settings. It wasn't the point of the article, rather just something that they uncovered while testing. I've managed to lose the link to that article as it was on one of my old machines/hard drives.

Hah! Now that you mention it, both Seanzylol and hawker-gb run ASUS motherboards. Could it be that what you say isn't limited to CHV, but a general method in ASUS manufacturing? It would certainly explain much!

Maybe apart the "post your IBT test", now we should also say "post your motherboard manufacturer"? lachen.gif

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His chip is genuine. I have seen the proof with mine eyes. He is actually pretty regular. Although he just doesn't post all that often.

The proof is around here in this club for my chip. We have all seen it. 4.95GHz @ 1.464V and 5GHz at 1.475V.

I cant remember what my original runs were with this chip when I started testing it. But I am sure I was below 1.4V at 4.7GHz and then the volt wall kicked in for me.
I am pretty sure this chip could be a 5.3 candidate on that swanky new Sabertooth R3.0. But my board just can't do it.

And what is the point of the new Sabertooth? AM3+ is EOL isn't it? Why would ASUS make a new one so close to the end of the product cycle? Makes no sense? Maybe ASUS won't even release it. Maybe that will just end up being a stillborn prototype.

That was actually a comment referring to the previous rebuttals and the notion that people here get eary when someone posts results that are better than most can achieve. (See the previous page/s) thumb.gif

With regards to the new sabertooth, there are reasons why it should be released. One is hardware feature upgrades. Like m.2 slot native.

2nd, let's face it, some people wear their hardware. I for one is an example. Swapping cards, pushing things, etc., made my CHVFZ a hack of the original. And already feeling a need of a new board but boards are little old for the liking at the moment that I'd rather wait for Zen to be worthy.

If they ever release that board, I might be buying one to keep the FX up to date with current features. I'd call it an update rather than an upgrade. thumb.gif
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His chip is genuine. I have seen the proof with mine eyes. He is actually pretty regular. Although he just doesn't post all that often.

The proof is around here in this club for my chip. We have all seen it. 4.95GHz @ 1.464V and 5GHz at 1.475V.

I cant remember what my original runs were with this chip when I started testing it. But I am sure I was below 1.4V at 4.7GHz and then the volt wall kicked in for me.
I am pretty sure this chip could be a 5.3 candidate on that swanky new Sabertooth R3.0. But my board just can't do it.

And what is the point of the new Sabertooth? AM3+ is EOL isn't it? Why would ASUS make a new one so close to the end of the product cycle? Makes no sense? Maybe ASUS won't even release it. Maybe that will just end up being a stillborn prototype.

That was actually a comment referring to the previous rebuttals and the notion that people here get eary when someone posts results that are better than most can achieve. (See the previous page/s) thumb.gif

With regards to the new sabertooth, there are reasons why it should be released. One is hardware feature upgrades. Like m.2 slot native.

2nd, let's face it, some people wear their hardware. I for one is an example. Swapping cards, pushing things, etc., made my CHVFZ a hack of the original. And already feeling a need of a new board but boards are little old for the liking at the moment that I'd rather wait for Zen to be worthy.

If they ever release that board, I might be buying one to keep the FX up to date with current features. I'd call it an update rather than an upgrade. thumb.gif

Ding Ding!!

My thoughts exactly smile.gif
 
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