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If quads are starting to struggle a duo would do even worse with only half the capacity. Unless the program only uses 1-2 cores in the first place, but those are becoming less and less common.

Example: World of Tanks used to be a single thread MMO that ran horribly on FX. They recently upgraded their engine so it now uses 4 cores. The result? I am playing with the high definition pack and everything set on maximum with TSAA and am seeing 100-120 fps with the poor little 290X being the limiting factor.

Another example: Maya. All graphics design programs like Maya used to be single thread only so creating models and such was an intel only thing. Now they are multi threaded and 8 core FX can do that too now. This is actually a big deal and will open up new markets for AMD. Like I said, FX is aging well.

@bigdayve Think about it. Buy a soso cpu now and then buy an expensive cpu later or go FX and be set for at least a year with less money spent.
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Was reading this article.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-intel-core-i3-6100-review
This got me pricing out an i3 6100 with a mid tier z170 board and a ddr4 3200 kit and the price is really good.
But following what you said, a dual core hyper threaded CPU might be a no no at this point, despite the big performance in current games?

You may find this useful: 8350 vs 2500K (all at stock):

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/436/AMD_FX-Series_FX-8350_vs_Intel_Core_i5_i5-2500K.html

Of course, if you overclock both, things change. I don't know how.

To be completely honest (trying to suppress my AMD bias), if you buy a PC in this period, at few months before FX goes EOL and with the current prices (i don't know where you live, but here Intel has dropped prices, while AMD hasn't done much), if you want a PC for games, the first question is: "Do you mind upgrading the CPU again".

The i3, is a good choice if you don't mind upgrading in a couple of years, because if games become more multithreaded and heavy, it will lag behind. The alternative is to buy either FX8 core and overclock it to at least 4.5Ghz, knowing that with some older and online games you will have some problems or buy i5 right away. The i5 6600K in multithreaded performance (even more integer heavy) is like an FX8350 at stock. So even in multithreaded games, it will perform like an 8350 at stock. Overclock it and things get better. The FX is fine CPU, but it wasn't made for games. It's more future proof than i3, but the i5 is more "game-ready", exactly because it can do the same job with less cores. And the disadvantage of the FX, is that in 3-4 months, it goes EOL. The good thing with the FX, is that even if it has lower IPC, it has still 8 threads. So you can do many things at the same time. Including playing a game and running other things in the background without impact.

Buying the i5 2500K, meh, i don't know, i hate used parts. And it's more EOL than FX is... So, i 'd rather buy FX or new Skylake i think.

Just my 2 eurocents.
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post #61113 of 67911
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If quads are starting to struggle a duo would do even worse with only half the capacity. Unless the program only uses 1-2 cores in the first place, but those are becoming less and less common.

Example: World of Tanks used to be a single thread MMO that ran horribly on FX. They recently upgraded their engine so it now uses 4 cores. The result? I am playing with the high definition pack and everything set on maximum with TSAA and am seeing 100-120 fps with the poor little 290X being the limiting factor.

Another example: Maya. All graphics design programs like Maya used to be single thread only so creating models and such was an intel only thing. Now they are multi threaded and 8 core FX can do that too now. This is actually a big deal and will open up new markets for AMD. Like I said, FX is aging well.

@bigdayve Think about it. Buy a soso cpu now and then buy an expensive cpu later or go FX and be set for at least a year with less money spent.

8 Core chips don't have much market share among pc gamers. Therefore, development of games and apps hasn't been tailored to 8 core chips as much as you'd hope. In a way 8 core FX chips were ahead of their time and are now aging gracefully. On the other hand, the IPC on FX chips is now so behind the times that realizing the potential of an FX chip doesn't make for excellent performance. Especially since there are many multi-threaded programs that benefit from higher single core performance.

It's kind of surprising to me that 8 core chips haven't taken off faster. Especially since PS4, XBONE, and many mobile devices use 8 core processors. Now that multi-threaded apps are sort of taking off it's getting to be too little too late for prospective FX 83** buyers.
    
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Even friday night i asked a friend that has a PC repair shop to open and get me a new tube of good thermal paste. So replaced the old one. It was suposed to be high quality but look quite moist ... strange

Anyway cleared and aplied thin layer on the processor mounted the cooler that i cleaned and just ran the test again. This is after 6 minutes. frown.gif
And the CPU is Undervolted by 0.0625 I am begining to think that there is a problem with my cooler frown.gif 1234.jpg 209k .jpg file

Room temperature is 27C I will remove the underlock set everything to normal and retest frown.gif damn cooler used to be good frown.gif

I don't know am i stressing the CPU too much and is it my fault that the cooler can't cope with the heat ?

after all i start Prime 95 with blend test on 8 threads
Edited by slavovid - 7/1/16 at 1:42pm
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Even friday night i asked a friend that has a PC repair shop to open and get me a new tube of good thermal paste. So replaced the old one. It was suposed to be high quality but look quite moist ... strange

Anyway cleared and aplied thin layer on the processor mounted the cooler that i cleaned and just ran the test again. This is after 6 minutes. frown.gif
And the CPU is Undervolted by 0.0625 I am begining to think that there is a problem with my cooler frown.gif 1234.jpg 209k .jpg file

Room temperature is 27C I will remove the underlock set everything to normal and retest frown.gif damn cooler used to be good frown.gif

I don't know am i stressing the CPU too much and is it my fault that the cooler can't cope with the heat ?

after all i start Prime 95 with blend test on 8 threads

A big advantage of air coolers is that there are few moving parts. Unless it's warped or damaged or your fans aren't blowing any air the cooler should be fine.

Is it mounted well with the proper hardware? Can you post your voltage settings? They can be found in HWinfo64 and CPU-Z, not sure about HWmonitor. Your high temps make me think that something is glaringly wrong, but I'm no expert.
    
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I wasted your time guys frown.gif sorry about this. Turns out those slick silent new fractal design fans i had replaced my old fans with this winter are rly low.

they are nice but
2 of those on the chassis front and back
http://www.fractal-design.com/home/product/casefans/silent-series-r3/silent-series-r3-120mm
"Maximum air flow 80 cubic meters/hour

and the more silent one with hydraulic bearing:
http://www.fractal-design.com/home/product/case-fans/silent-series-r2-120mm
that was running on 950 RPM and pushing around 60 cubic meters/hour

i strapped my old fans in their place even thou they are a bit noisy:
http://www.blacknoise.com/site/en/products/noiseblocker-it-fans/nb-blacksilentfan-series/120x120x25mm.php?lang=EN#tab5
That aparently can push up to 128 cubic meters/h because they do go to 2k RPM biggrin.gif

Currently 15 minutes running that same prime95 at 100% load on the 8 cores the chasis fan is at 1900 rpm the cpu one is at 1700 rpm
and the CPU package has reached maximum of 45C

Once again apologies. I will get 3 good fans to replace the 3 old ones that are curently too loud and one of them is not even detected by the board and will set aside some free time to test OC's

P.S. what i did is open the case and hold my hand on the heatsink fans and i felt the heat so the heat was moving from the CPU through the pipes on the fins but then i felt little to no air flow and the fans were maxed. That felt wierd i remmeber the airflow of cold air when i boot up my PC from it's back back in the days so decided that those fans are not rly working great and they are ... 4-6 months old frown.gif rly quiet and cool frown.gif ARGH i am so angry at them biggrin.gif So changed back to the old ones that i kept just cleaned the dust off them 1 is not being detected properly even so is probably running at min rpm. Oh well need to get better ones now.
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Hopefully, SP120 is not on your buying plan. biggrin.gif
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Even friday night i asked a friend that has a PC repair shop to open and get me a new tube of good thermal paste. So replaced the old one. It was suposed to be high quality but look quite moist ... strange

Anyway cleared and aplied thin layer on the processor mounted the cooler that i cleaned and just ran the test again. This is after 6 minutes. frown.gif
And the CPU is Undervolted by 0.0625 I am begining to think that there is a problem with my cooler frown.gif 1234.jpg 209k .jpg file

Room temperature is 27C I will remove the underlock set everything to normal and retest frown.gif damn cooler used to be good frown.gif

I don't know am i stressing the CPU too much and is it my fault that the cooler can't cope with the heat ?

after all i start Prime 95 with blend test on 8 threads
Don't spread it. Pea method
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Even friday night i asked a friend that has a PC repair shop to open and get me a new tube of good thermal paste. So replaced the old one. It was suposed to be high quality but look quite moist ... strange

Anyway cleared and aplied thin layer on the processor mounted the cooler that i cleaned and just ran the test again. This is after 6 minutes. frown.gif
And the CPU is Undervolted by 0.0625 I am begining to think that there is a problem with my cooler frown.gif 1234.jpg 209k .jpg file

Room temperature is 27C I will remove the underlock set everything to normal and retest frown.gif damn cooler used to be good frown.gif

I don't know am i stressing the CPU too much and is it my fault that the cooler can't cope with the heat ?

after all i start Prime 95 with blend test on 8 threads
Don't spread it. Pea method

I spread antec formula 7 hahah. Just re did my loop and cool as can be, shouldn't wait a year and a half thoug like I did haha
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I spread antec formula 7 hahah. Just re did my loop and cool as can be, shouldn't wait a year and a half thoug like I did haha

I always spread the Arctic Ceramique 2 too. thumb.gif I hate guessing whether i put the perfect pea side, whether i landed completely vertically the heatsink or not, etc. I trust my eyes more than luck. With Ceramique it works better too:

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