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That's fair but my comment was based on custom loops, I don't count AIOs because well, I've seen so many failed units reconditioned or people complaining of failed units that I'll never fit one. The loudest things in my rigs are the PSUs because they're the only thing left that isn't cooled by water, but my intel rig has a 750w EVGA with eco mode so unless I'm gaming, it's not spinning up making noise. thumb.gif

pretty much. MY h100i pump laster 6 months while i was waiting on some cash for replacement wc stuff. Pump randomly died.
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In this thread a bunch of fans are tested but only one Zalman. I do not know if it is the one you are looking at but it seems to be ok.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1274407/fans-the-most-complete-and-comprehensive-array-of-tests-and-benchmarks


Apples and oranges. I never compared air cooling to custom loops as they are completely different in both cost and performance. The only AIO that beat air are the Swiftech ones. When the others have their fans turned down to the same decibel levels air often cools better. Again, the loudest thing in my case is the video card.

I've been asking in this thread but the guys there are telling me to change my case to improve air flow to remove half my HDD's etc. smile.gif and the zalman i am thinking is not being tested there according to a bench it has good data slightly lower than the old NB's that are doing a great job tbh but have degraded and their volume is quite above what i'd like smile.gif
Zalman ZM-F3-FDB -> 57.54 CFM / 2.65 mmH20 / 23 db(A) at 1500 rpm and 150k hours life on fluid dynamic bearing
NB-blacksilentfan xlp -> 75CFM / 2.79 mmH20 / 32db(A) at 2000 rpm and 80k hours life

I'd get 3 new NB's but if they change their sound in about 2 years like the old ones. But if after 2 years i have to replace them again it will suck.
Don't get me wrong they are working but i want to keep the noise down because of my GF sleeping next to me while playing frown.gif and that sound she is not complaining about it but i am sure it's anoying frown.gif
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I've been asking in this thread but the guys there are telling me to change my case to improve air flow to remove half my HDD's etc. smile.gif and the zalman i am thinking is not being tested there according to a bench it has good data slightly lower than the old NB's that are doing a great job tbh but have degraded and their volume is quite above what i'd like smile.gif
Zalman ZM-F3-FDB -> 57.54 CFM / 2.65 mmH20 / 23 db(A) at 1500 rpm and 150k hours life on fluid dynamic bearing
NB-blacksilentfan xlp -> 75CFM / 2.79 mmH20 / 32db(A) at 2000 rpm and 80k hours life

I'd get 3 new NB's but if they change their sound in about 2 years like the old ones. But if after 2 years i have to replace them again it will suck.
Don't get me wrong they are working but i want to keep the noise down because of my GF sleeping next to me while playing frown.gif and that sound she is not complaining about it but i am sure it's anoying frown.gif

get some deltas and undervolt them ;D
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I managed to run both of my 8350's 5 ghz as a daily OC for about a year gaming/normal usage on 240 mm clc's , but prime or ibt would quickly overwhelm them with heat. I started swapping chips in those rigs or they might still be running in that configuration.

It also depends on the chip being used , the early ones took more voltage but ran cooler at 5 ghz than my new ones do ( talking my 8xxx's).

Could likely do 5ghz on a Noctua NH-D15 with good fans. It is silent with the stock fans and good enough for 1.45v @ mid 4ghz range.

Really want to slap a 250cfm delta on my friends FX-8370/NH-D15 just to see how low the temps would be at 12v and 5v. The big Deltas are decently quiet at 5v except for bearing noise on some models.
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get some deltas and undervolt them ;D

Rofl biggrin.gif

I am thinking affixing one more fan at the front where the 5.25inch bays are located and move a 2-nd HDD up there too so i can free room on the lower hdd bay and let more air flow in there

There is a place for a fan on the bottom flat just under the HDD that i have put there but that one i can't rly move because it's connected to a SATA cable that is on the back panel of the MB .... if i think of how to move it or even place it outside the PC
Then i need to put back the case legs and figure out some sort of a filter for that hole there and then i can put a 140mm fan there i am afraid to let it get air from the bottom ground as that's where all the dust goes biggrin.gif
That's about it for optimizing airflow and stuff

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This Gentle Typhoon is rated at 2.9 Static pressure and 57.7 CFM

I am pondering about buying this Zalman ZM-F3-FDB that in this test here show it at 2.65 static pressure with 23db at max rpm 1500 and 57.54 CFM at half the price of the Gentle Typhoon ... seems good enough but i am not sure

those http://www.fractal-design.com/home/product/casefans/silent-series-r3/silent-series-r3-120mm that i had 120mm seem a bit les airflow and a lot less pressure
You need to start looking at pq charts not stats

https://martinsliquidlab.wordpress.com/2013/02/18/why-static-pressure-max-flow-specs-are-poor-measures-of-fan-performance/
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In this thread a bunch of fans are tested but only one Zalman. I do not know if it is the one you are looking at but it seems to be ok.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1274407/fans-the-most-complete-and-comprehensive-array-of-tests-and-benchmarks


Apples and oranges. I never compared air cooling to custom loops as they are completely different in both cost and performance. The only AIO that beat air are the Swiftech ones. When the others have their fans turned down to the same decibel levels air often cools better. Again, the loudest thing in my case is the video card.

That's fair but my comment was based on custom loops, I don't count AIOs because well, I've seen so many failed units reconditioned or people complaining of failed units that I'll never fit one. The loudest things in my rigs are the PSUs because they're the only thing left that isn't cooled by water, but my intel rig has a 750w EVGA with eco mode so unless I'm gaming, it's not spinning up making noise. thumb.gif
They used to make water-cooled psus. Now you have to use fables with a large water blocks on the body of the psu
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In this thread a bunch of fans are tested but only one Zalman. I do not know if it is the one you are looking at but it seems to be ok.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1274407/fans-the-most-complete-and-comprehensive-array-of-tests-and-benchmarks


Apples and oranges. I never compared air cooling to custom loops as they are completely different in both cost and performance. The only AIO that beat air are the Swiftech ones. When the others have their fans turned down to the same decibel levels air often cools better. Again, the loudest thing in my case is the video card.

I've been asking in this thread but the guys there are telling me to change my case to improve air flow to remove half my HDD's etc. smile.gif and the zalman i am thinking is not being tested there according to a bench it has good data slightly lower than the old NB's that are doing a great job tbh but have degraded and their volume is quite above what i'd like smile.gif
Zalman ZM-F3-FDB -> 57.54 CFM / 2.65 mmH20 / 23 db(A) at 1500 rpm and 150k hours life on fluid dynamic bearing
NB-blacksilentfan xlp -> 75CFM / 2.79 mmH20 / 32db(A) at 2000 rpm and 80k hours life

I'd get 3 new NB's but if they change their sound in about 2 years like the old ones. But if after 2 years i have to replace them again it will suck.
Don't get me wrong they are working but i want to keep the noise down because of my GF sleeping next to me while playing frown.gif and that sound she is not complaining about it but i am sure it's anoying frown.gif

I don't understand your question sorry
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I will start from the begining. I wanted to OC the CPU decieded to see what temps i am getting on max load turned out they are running above the point that is OK for the CPU - 60C

It was because i had replaced my
NB-blacksilentfan xlp -> 75CFM / 2.79 mmH20 / 32db(A) at 2000 rpm and 80k hours life
with silent fans that were not providing enough airflow:
Fractal Deisng R3 silent series

So i went in and changed back to the NB fans and i got the CPU under full load at steady 44C and not moving up.
At this point i don't want to OC the CPU before i change the fans again with something new
Because the NB's have degraded from use and are noisy much more than they were as new. And that is bad because GF is sleeping next to the PC. Can't allow that even thou she is not complaining the noise is not cool constant whistling type a noise. I tried all 3 fans maybe one of them is not making them but they are all the same.

So i'd love to replace them before i OC the CPU so i can keep the OC for untill i use the new fans. Maybe i can figure out a way to increase the air flow even more.

I asked the guys at that fan thread about a particular fan i found that i think might be ok to replace the NB's and that is
Zalman ZM-F3-FDB -> 57.54 CFM / 2.65 mmH20 / 23 db(A) at 1500 rpm and 150k hours life on fluid dynamic bearing

the guys there are suggesting me:
Swiftech Helix -> 55 CFM / 2.29 mmH20 / < 33 db(A) at 1800 rpm and 60k hours life

I just can see how a fan with less CFM less mmH20 and higher db(A) can be better not to mention lower life span and double the price

Oh and i rly don't have a budget for even the fans so replacing the entire case or heatsink or what not is not rly an option. That's what the guys at the fan thread are suggesting ... or even removing half of my HDD's to replace them with less amount bigger ones biggrin.gif
I have saved for a new RX 480 and am taking from those money and delaying the purchase for untill AIB parthners show up with better models so even buying 3 of those Zalmans is a bit unwelcomed to me frown.gif

That's all. I'd get new 3x NB's but i am afraid that they will get noisy after 1-2 years just like those 3 have

I understand those PQ curves but chances not every fan provides those biggrin.gif I was hoping for a suggestion from the fan thread for some uber cool and cheap fans smile.gif but so far nothing much helpfull.
Get the Sifttech Helix they say but they don't look promising especially compared to the NB's biggrin.gif whose stats are realy crazy good looking : D

I just need their performance or better without degrading the sound over the course of 2 years frown.gif
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If you can't stand the noise of 2000 rpm fans, then there's not mych option there than go with a bigger cooler, case, and more exotic cooling solutions. That's a given.

You can try getting some Gentle Typhoons at 1850 rpm, or some other fans that were proven to be good but the fact remains, OC and cooling will hurt your silent PC preference.

So, if you are adamant on getting a set of better fans, imagine spending more on a better cooler.

Also, their argument on fans being better than what you are looking at is derived from their experiences. Some Manufacturers blow up written specs to sell their parts.
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If you can't stand the noise of 2000 rpm fans, then there's not mych option there than go with a bigger cooler, case, and more exotic cooling solutions. That's a given.

You can try getting some Gentle Typhoons at 1850 rpm, or some other fans that were proven to be good but the fact remains, OC and cooling will hurt your silent PC preference.

So, if you are adamant on getting a set of better fans, imagine spending more on a better cooler.

Also, their argument on fans being better than what you are looking at is derived from their experiences. Some Manufacturers blow up written specs to sell their parts.

It's not that i can't stand their noise ... when they were new they were quite ok ... the problem is they did increase their sound by a lot so i changed them but was a fool and got Fractal silent series R2/3 that were not performing the same.
So i went back to the old ones but their sound is deff not the specs 32 db(a) it's more like close to 50 lol biggrin.gif that's why i don't want to replace them with the same model because i've only used them for like 2-3 years max 8-10h a day max that's about 10k work hours of their 80h work hours life frown.gif

I am completely aware that manufacturers might lie about specs that's why i got that revew on the Zalman coolers and thought his numbers showing up similar to the manufacturers specs point out to a good quality/silence cooler biggrin.gif But nobody is saying a word about that review or the specs
http://www.legitreviews.com/zalman-zm-f3-fdb-zm-sf3-120mm-cooling-fan-review_1485
is a revew called Legitreviews rly Legit biggrin.gif
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Just go pick a Gentle Typhoon. IIRC, it has been said a while ago..

Or go search for some Thermalright TY 140s and the like.

Used or new, they are reliably quiet and built strong.


try the marketplace..
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