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First post!
Hi all, nice toys. I've been lurking for a month or so, man this thread is massive!
So, some rotten SOB has stolen the name Grinder, which I have used on other forums. But there is always the possibility that it was me, either long ago or late one night after a few beer tongue.gif I've been building systems for my own enjoyment for many years, overclocking since the Celeron 300a (my last Intel cpu), watercooling since ~2004, and my first pc was a TI-99/4 (not the 4A!) wink.gif
Just beginning to play with this new 1242 stepping 8350, UD7, and G.Skill 1866 C9 Snipers. I'll post to the table once I've had more time with it, which is difficult this time of year. Testing with OCCT 1hr, it was stable at 4 GHZ (but 234 ref clock for ram, see below) at a setting of 1.375v (1.33 actual idle, 1.34 load with extreme llc). It also passed 30 min of Prime blend at this speed. I next went straight to 1.475v (1.44 idle, 1.46 load) and that is 1hr OCCT stable at 4.8 GHZ, <50C core temp. For later, I will add an MCR-320XP to my loop and let it taste the cold air of the garage adjacent to my office biggrin.gif
QUESTIONS FOR THE MASSES:
For the other UD7 users out there, is there a known issue with memory divider at 1866? I'm still at bios F8, and 1866 even at loose timings was a non starter. However with the 1600 multi and the ref clock bumped to 234 it runs perfectly with 4X4gb @1872 9-10-9.
What is considered the max safe core temp for day to day use? Is Vishera off 10C or so like Thuban was?
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A merry Christmas to everyone smile.gif

I was playing around with the various stress tools to find a new 24/7 clock on my 8350. (And yes I was using prime too). People all across the board recommend IBT which is indeed very useful but you gotta use it right: Try testing on "Very High" setting with at least 20 runs. Most of the time I got lockups/errors during the testphase between 13 - 18. "Very High" with only 10 runs mosty was a piece of cake. Between 10 "Standard" runs and 20 "Very High" runs I have a ~150Mhz gap on the same voltage.

I tested Prime Versions 27.7 and 27.9. There was no real differnce between those two. At my 4.7Ghz OC I can do a few hours of "blend" which does not stress the chip much as it seems. The real fun starts with the "In-place large FFT" test cases. The 128K FFT and the 160K FFT test cases never fail, but give me 3C more one the cores than any other test available. Socket temps are at least 5C higher than IBT at "Very High". If you do not consider prime as reliable, but want to bring the chip to its thermal maximum, try prime "In-place large FFT" tests. (A lot of people will have unstable systems during the summmer time I guess)

OCCT did not fail (ever?). I don't use it anymore.

A little hint: If you have HWmon, CoreTemp, ASUS sw (or other) and a Antivirus sw running you will most likely get a higher OC. Those programs seem to steal, little but enough cpu cycles from your stress tool which prevents the cpu from reaching true 100% load. I noticed that during Prime 128K FFT, as temps dropped 2C with al monitoring sw enabled. I know this is for the picky ones, but it is worth mentioning.
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A little hint: If you have HWmon, CoreTemp, ASUS sw (or other) and a Antivirus sw running you will most likely get a higher OC. Those programs seem to steal, little but enough cpu cycles from your stress tool which prevents the cpu from reaching true 100% load. I noticed that during Prime 128K FFT, as temps dropped 2C with al monitoring sw enabled. I know this is for the picky ones, but it is worth mentioning.

What a load of baloney lol

You will get a higher overclock if you have these things running?

LMAO

not been on in over a week bcauseive been very ill but LMAO!!!

Sorry but its funny some of the things posted on here lately

So if anyone having trouble reaching that higher overclock turn on your anitvirus and hwmonitor etc and you will achieve it!!! LMAO
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Just 10 rounds of IBT. It's bench stable, but without doing some long term testing i can't say it's 100% stable. I just wanted to see if my chip would do it and still be able to do some 3DMark benches.
I will say that even at 5ghz my 3570k at 5ghz had it beat, but it definitely isn't anything to sneeze at.
8350 at 5Ghz
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/5326773
3570k at 5Ghz
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/4067178
Not that i really care since in game you are only talking a few FPS. By the way, the GPU's were at the same settings and if I wanted too i could push by GPU's a lot higher as seen here:
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/4067299

Thanks for the feedback! +rep
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What a load of baloney lol
You will get a higher overclock if you have these things running?
LMAO
not been on in over a week bcauseive been very ill but LMAO!!!
Sorry but its funny some of the things posted on here lately
So if anyone having trouble reaching that higher overclock turn on your anitvirus and hwmonitor etc and you will achieve it!!! LMAO

Haha, It does not get you a higher overclock when these are running. I did not meant it that way, blieve me. It takes cpu cycles thats what I wanted to say.
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For those of you using Prime95 for stability testing do remember that temps can cause your Overclock to fail. You otherwise may have a stable OC, but if you are running at /above or close to max temp it is increasingly likely your tests will fail. Prime stress's the FPU ( or known as math co-processor ) to such a great degree that if a cpu is not adaquately cooled it can cause error resulting in failure. So before you run around like a headless chicken adjusting voltages & frequencies just note that Prime95 is highly sensitive to temps.

Prime is such a demanding test that it requires almost perfection from any system ( hence why us Overclockers use it ), but some things to note that can cause the test to fail.....

Power Supply - Power MUST be clean, if your PSU is not providing clean power then this can cause failure. This is not whether your psu is capable of high enough wattage or not, it is purely about whether it can deliver the voltage required cleanly, ie 5v at 4.9v - 5v not 4.6v etc. For everyday computing the exacting standards of prime are not required in a psu.

Chipset - The Chipset is also under a great deal of stress, if the settings here are not correct or matching to your Overclock then this also can cause test failure. Check all frequencies & voltages are correct at any given OC.

Memory - More obvious i know, but memory also takes a good hammering here, incorrect timings/voltage/ settings can cause failure. Use too much memory and the test will use pagefile and not test memory at all. Check settings and try to use memory from a reputable source ( budget ram not recommended ). Check also you are using correct FFT size.

Temperature - Already gone over this but i say again. If you are running your overclock at high levels and reaching max temps you increase the risk of failing the tests. Higher temps tend to cause very minor errors resulting in failure on one or more cores. With such a demanding test it is hard to maintain low enough temps. If you are running close to / at max (58 - 62c ) consider upgrading your cooling solution or lower your overclock for 24/7 systems.


System use - For those using 24/7 use @ loads of 80-100% then Prime95 is for you, if there is an imperfection anywhere in your system prime will find it. A stable system will run Prime indefinitely without error. Recommended minimum 12 Hours testing without error, though this is ultimately up to user as to how long they wish to run. 24/7 usage requires absolute reliability, prime95 will indicate if there is any issue with your system or overclock.

System use - For those not running 24/7 under constant heavy workloads prime maybe less suited. Prime95 will test harder than any other program, it will also find the smallest of imperfections. If you are not using your system under heavy workloads 24/7 then this test maybe used as an indication tool rather than an absolute one. If you still require absolute stability then continue to use Prime until stability is reached. If absolute stability 24/7 100% is not required see alternatives. >

Alternatives ? - For those who don't run 24/7 under workloads 80-100%( or even if you do wink.gif ). IBT ( Intel Burn Test ) has been around a long time and is a perfectly good tool to measure stability of a system and also overclocked systems. While still highly stressful IBT does not require such exacting standards that P95 will.

How should i run it ? - IBT is less of a perfectionist than P95 but is no less indicative of proving stability. Testing is as always up to user but i would recommend the following as to cover most system use's. Ensure no unnecessary programs are running before testing.

30 - 45 runs ( Minimum ) @ Very High ( Minimum ) / You can of course test with RAM @ Max and as many runs above 30 as you wish to further test stability.

Hope this info proves helpful to some of you with issues. biggrin.gif

* The above is merely my method and opinion, im no expert in overclocking or testing methods. Just offering my thoughts/opinion to those new to overclocking or looking for stability *
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For those of you using Prime95 for stability testing do remember that temps can cause your Overclock to fail. You otherwise may have a stable OC, but if you are running at /above or close to max temp it is increasingly likely your tests will fail. Prime stress's the FPU ( or known as math co-processor ) to such a great degree that if a cpu is not adaquately cooled it can cause error resulting in failure. So before you run around like a headless chicken adjusting voltages & frequencies just note that Prime95 is highly sensitive to temps.
Prime is such a demanding test that it requires almost perfection from any system ( hence why us Overclockers use it ), but some things to note that can cause the test to fail.....
...
While still highly stressful IBT does not require such exacting standards that P95 will.
How should i run it ? - IBT is less of a perfectionist than P95 but is no less indicative of proving stability. Testing is as always up to user but i would recommend the following as to cover most system use's. Ensure no unnecessary programs are running before testing.
30 - 45 runs ( Minimum ) @ Very High ( Minimum ) / You can of course test with RAM @ Max and as many runs above 30 as you wish to further test stability.
Hope this info proves helpful to some of you with issues. biggrin.gif
* The above is merely my method and opinion, im no expert in overclocking or testing methods. Just offering my thoughts/opinion to those new to overclocking or looking for stability *

At least someone gets it
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What a load of baloney lol
You will get a higher overclock if you have these things running?
LMAO
not been on in over a week bcauseive been very ill but LMAO!!!
Sorry but its funny some of the things posted on here lately
So if anyone having trouble reaching that higher overclock turn on your anitvirus and hwmonitor etc and you will achieve it!!! LMAO

No baloney, he's right. The only baloney in here is unrealistic claims of stability with 4.7+GHz and over 1.5 volts, on average cooling. If prime doesn't have priority over other background applications, then prime doesn't have all cores at 100% load. Don't mean to hurt feelings here, just my 2¢. If prime is causing heat related failures, you might never have an issue or crash because most likely your system will never be loaded that hard for daily tasks. If you are getting non heat related hardware errors, in my experience you will eventually experience system crashes or anomalies at some point. I get it, some people are fine with this, and for gaming, not a big deal. For encoding, etc, its important. For those having prime failures on stock settings, and temps are in check, RMA. Nice post mr-mechraven.
Edited by Veedo - 12/24/12 at 4:34am
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No baloney, he's right. The only baloney in here is unrealistic claims of stability with 4.7+GHz and over 1.5 volts, on average cooling. If prime doesn't have priority over other background applications, then prime doesn't have all cores at 100% load. Don't mean to hurt feelings here, just my 2¢. If prime is causing heat related failures, you might never have an issue or crash because most likely your system will never be loaded that hard for daily tasks. If you are getting non heat related hardware errors, in my experience you will eventually experience system crashes or anomalies at some point. I get it, some people are fine with this, and for gaming, not a big deal. For encoding, etc, its important. For those having prime failures on stock settings, and temps are in check, RMA. Nice post mr-mechraven.

Yeah i know hes right to some degree lol it was just funny how he worded it.

Yes having antivirus running whilst OC'ing would impair it but who in their right mind would have anti virus running rolleyes.gif

But i must stress having coretemp or hw monitor running is not going to impair prime 95. IM sorry but thats just trash
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Can someone explain differences between 970 and 990 chipset overclocking wise ?? I know other advantages, but pure for overclocking. Lets say that both board has same paheses and vrm cooler. One is with 970 chipst, and other is with 990FX chipset. Does the one with 990FX chipset overclock better and more stable, even if phases and cooling is exactly the same ??
Here's a pretty good explanation of the differences in the 900 series chipsets http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_900_chipset_series
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thats the physical difference, he wants to know the overclocking difference (if any)
As I have no experience with the 970 boards, I thought that might be a help to him.
The biggest difference is in the multi gpu support, but differences in HT speed and IOMMU will help the 990 fx perform better also.
As for getting more clockspeed out of a given processor with all things being equal other than the chipset ,I really couldn't tell you .
The only personal point of reference I have is taking a chip ( 965 BE) from 790 FX board and putting it in a 990 FX, and in that case the 965 clocked almost identically .

The Wiki is wrong. All 900-series boards support IOMMU, from 990FX to 970. Who knows what else it's wrong about.
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@red
Is the 1866 (or higher) divider working for you?

The memory in this thing changes weekly, but the 1866 works, anything above that needs to be REF OC'd

1866 works here too. I got 2133 working too at one point, but never got it again.
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STOP USING PRIME! haha I dont know how many times its been said in here. Prime requires more voltage for whatever reason. It hates the Vishera chips, OCCT and IBT ftw with these things.

that, or everyone in here hates prime?

Everyone in here will acknowledge that Prime is good... on any chip other then Piledriver.
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When I was running the 1866 it was the Corsair CMZ8GX3M2A1866C9 4x4. I was (and still am) using the F10 beta they gave me for the FX-8350 review.
mines a rev 1.1 as well
...yeah..it's a burden tongue.gif

Interesting, I didn't see your whole post until I quoted it lol. Life is hard! Thanks for the info, I'll try F10. Seems to me I read that either F9 or F10 improved memory compatibility. Reminds me of my 790XT-UD4P, the 1600 multi didn't work but it was fine with ref OC.
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STOP USING PRIME! haha I dont know how many times its been said in here. Prime requires more voltage for whatever reason. It hates the Vishera chips, OCCT and IBT ftw with these things.

I'm aware of the issue, and relying primarily on occt. But along the way I'll explore the prime behavior as well. Since I was prime stable for 8 hours at 4.8/1.488, I'm happy with that. But I'm sure I'll feel differently when I reach a great OC with occt, but it isn't prime stable :O BTW, any diff between IBT and OCCT in terms of checking for max OC stability?

It's best to use all the tools you can. Test with Overdrive's stability tester as well.
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First off, it's positively weird that you and I share so many tech trivia points in common. I, too, had a TI only mine WAS a 99/4A. Got it when I was about 11 years old. Next up, I also have a Gigabyte UD7 (Rev. 1.1) mobo and G.Skill Sniper 1866 (CL10) memory, and yes, I would absolutely recommend you update to the latest F10 bios. It works very well.

Anubis is back!
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For those of you using Prime95 for stability testing do remember that temps can cause your Overclock to fail. You otherwise may have a stable OC, but if you are running at /above or close to max temp it is increasingly likely your tests will fail. Prime stress's the FPU ( or known as math co-processor ) to such a great degree that if a cpu is not adaquately cooled it can cause error resulting in failure. So before you run around like a headless chicken adjusting voltages & frequencies just note that Prime95 is highly sensitive to temps.
Prime is such a demanding test that it requires almost perfection from any system ( hence why us Overclockers use it ), but some things to note that can cause the test to fail.....
...
While still highly stressful IBT does not require such exacting standards that P95 will.
How should i run it ? - IBT is less of a perfectionist than P95 but is no less indicative of proving stability. Testing is as always up to user but i would recommend the following as to cover most system use's. Ensure no unnecessary programs are running before testing.
30 - 45 runs ( Minimum ) @ Very High ( Minimum ) / You can of course test with RAM @ Max and as many runs above 30 as you wish to further test stability.
Hope this info proves helpful to some of you with issues. biggrin.gif
* The above is merely my method and opinion, im no expert in overclocking or testing methods. Just offering my thoughts/opinion to those new to overclocking or looking for stability *

At least someone gets it

And if prime didn't fail at stock for people, we might believe that was the problem. As it stands though, no argument for prime will ever make it a viable stress program on Piledriver aside from a changelog that says "fixed" from the developer for a good number of people in this thread.
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No baloney, he's right. The only baloney in here is unrealistic claims of stability with 4.7+GHz and over 1.5 volts, on average cooling. If prime doesn't have priority over other background applications, then prime doesn't have all cores at 100% load. Don't mean to hurt feelings here, just my 2¢. If prime is causing heat related failures, you might never have an issue or crash because most likely your system will never be loaded that hard for daily tasks. If you are getting non heat related hardware errors, in my experience you will eventually experience system crashes or anomalies at some point. I get it, some people are fine with this, and for gaming, not a big deal. For encoding, etc, its important. For those having prime failures on stock settings, and temps are in check, RMA. Nice post mr-mechraven.

Yeah i know hes right to some degree lol it was just funny how he worded it.

Yes having antivirus running whilst OC'ing would impair it but who in their right mind would have anti virus running rolleyes.gif

But i must stress having coretemp or hw monitor running is not going to impair prime 95. IM sorry but thats just trash

The idea that a temp monitor it holding back prime is indeed insane.

And quick tip for Veedo; IBT pushes the CPU harder and hotter then Prime does, even in just a 10-run. Imagine if you ran it for hours like people do for prime. wink.gif
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