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First of all, those of you who are taking passive aggressive swipes at people actually contributing, you need to just stop. This isn't a community for elitist pricks who like to get into dick swinging contests. I've been on this site since 2006, been building PCs since the early 90's. I know a few things, and from time to time i share what i know. What i know is that for most purposes, and in my personal experience with my builds and OC's, tuning memory has a very minimal impact on overall performance. It can have a measurable impact in some synthetic benchmarks, and in some games, and in some content creation workloads...but its really on a case by case basis and rarely noticeable with the naked eye . The overwhelming majority of data i have seen from reputable media sources and forum members in the past shows that memory speeds of 1600 provide more than enough bandwidth to handle most tasks on current gen FX platforms. Having more bandwidth than you need doesn't yield better performance. Having it is nice, but unless you have tasks that utilize it, or a processor that can handle the extra load, its moot.

I've done testing before, extensively, to verify sources like LTT claims on the subject. My results were in line with his and countless other tech sources in the media and otherwise. Jays 2 cents has a similar video on an AMD system that shows the same thing.

No one has to trust LTT or Jays 2 cents or Toms hardware or Anandtech or any other source. Easy enough to do a Bench yourself. I did one this morning. My test bench and method was as follows...

8320E Locked at 4.0GHz (undervolted @ 1.238v)
16GB Gskill Ripjaws @ at stock speed 2133MHz C11
ASRock Fatility 970 performance (all power saving and turbo settings disabled in BIOS)
MSI 390X at stock speeds (1080MHz core /1500MHz mem)

Using Thief 1.7 Benchmarking utility with all settings at max and Mantel enabled.

I did 7 runs so i could actual get a margin of error to compare. Here are the results.

Min: 56.6---58.0---57.7---56.9---58.0---55.8---57.1

Max: 89.6---89.6---89.6---89.6---89.6---90.5---89.1

AVG: 72.4---72.3---72.8---72.5---73.1---73.3---72.2


Next i made a single change to my BIOS. I changed my Ram Frequency to 1600MHz but left the timings the same.

Min: 52.6---55.8---54.5---56.1---55.8---55.6---54.2

Max: 89.1---90.5---90.0---88.7---89.6---90.5---88.7

AVG: 71.0---71.9---71.1---71.5---71.1---71.1---70.5

I will let the results speak for themselves. I am not claiming this is the end all be all of all results or all tests. I am simply saying that this is what i get when i do tests that anyone can reproduce with similar hardware and software. I get it similar results on every benchmark i do and every test i preform. You can dissect it however you like.
Just waiting for...

"But you didnt OC to 4.8ghz with a CPU-NB of 3000 and you are not using a Sabertooth, therefore those results are invalid." rolleyes.gif

Finally , you've managed to post something I can agree with! ( sorta ) wink.gif Not so much about those results being Invalid as it is about them coming from a different perspective. I'd guesstimate that less than 5% of my time ( nearly 4 years now) on the Vishera has been spent under 4.9 ghz .

The best way to gimp performance of an FX is to have some poorly tuned , mis-matched, or unstable ram. There is a big difference in the ability of a CHV-Z to get the most out of a set of ram vs nearly any other AM3+ motherboard made.

I'm pretty sure my point of view would be different had my 990 extreme 3 been the only motherboard I'd used..... not right or wrong , better or worse, but different.

My personal experience with ram and the FX platform runs from cl 6 1800 to cl 13 2700 at OC with single and double ranked kits. The stock speeds/timings of those kits being cl 6 1600 to cl11 2933 ( 2666 was the best I could manage on that set with the FX - dommie plats). I can't come close to matching my AIDA 64 scores at cl 12 2600/2600 on the Hyper X beasts with anything a slower clock + tighter timings.

As I said before, 2133 is the most practical target to shoot for in the case of most Vishera users. It yields the lions share of the benefit faster ram has to offer - I haven't come across a motherboard/FX chip that wouldn't handle it and going up from there usually requires a bump in cpu/nb volts, which adds heat and can limit the ultimate cpu overclock. I'm fortunate enough to have cooling that allows for it so it's down to what I can make stable.
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AIDI64 scores are great and all, but they do not translate into extra performance in many cases.

Most people seem to be around 4.7ghz even now, so if the above summary of ram vs core clocks is true 1866-2133 would be the most anyone with an average setup would need. The speed gains would not be huge either, but 2133 is the cheap speed for DDR3 now and there isnt much reason to not get that speed. Just don't expect more than ~5% gains on average if you are coming from 1600 in real world situations.

It IS a gain, but its nothing to really write home about.
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AIDI64 scores are great and all, but they do not translate into extra performance in many cases.

Most people seem to be around 4.7ghz even now, so if the above summary of ram vs core clocks is true 1866-2133 would be the most anyone with an average setup would need. The speed gains would not be huge either, but 2133 is the cheap speed for DDR3 now and there isnt much reason to not get that speed. Just don't expect more than ~5% gains on average if you are coming from 1600 in real world situations.

It IS a gain, but its nothing to really write home about.

Yeah, this is on Intel, but still is insightful.

http://techbuyersguru.com/does-ram-speed-matter-ddr3-1600-vs-1866-2133-and-2400-games
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Yeah, this is on Intel, but still is insightful.

http://techbuyersguru.com/does-ram-speed-matter-ddr3-1600-vs-1866-2133-and-2400-games

There is another for DDR4. Dual channel platform benefits by a few percent, quad channel not so much.

http://techbuyersguru.com/gaming-ddr4-memory-2133-vs-26663200mhz-8gb-vs-16gb
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First of all, those of you who are taking passive aggressive swipes at people actually contributing, you need to just stop. This isn't a community for elitist pricks who like to get into dick swinging contests. I've been on this site since 2006, been building PCs since the early 90's. I know a few things, and from time to time i share what i know. What i know is that for most purposes, and in my personal experience with my builds and OC's, tuning memory has a very minimal impact on overall performance. It can have a measurable impact in some synthetic benchmarks, and in some games, and in some content creation workloads...but its really on a case by case basis and rarely noticeable with the naked eye . The overwhelming majority of data i have seen from reputable media sources and forum members in the past shows that memory speeds of 1600 provide more than enough bandwidth to handle most tasks on current gen FX platforms. Having more bandwidth than you need doesn't yield better performance. Having it is nice, but unless you have tasks that utilize it, or a processor that can handle the extra load, its moot.

I've done testing before, extensively, to verify sources like LTT claims on the subject. My results were in line with his and countless other tech sources in the media and otherwise. Jays 2 cents has a similar video on an AMD system that shows the same thing.

No one has to trust LTT or Jays 2 cents or Toms hardware or Anandtech or any other source. Easy enough to do a Bench yourself. I did one this morning. My test bench and method was as follows...

8320E Locked at 4.0GHz (undervolted @ 1.238v)
16GB Gskill Ripjaws @ at stock speed 2133MHz C11
ASRock Fatility 970 performance (all power saving and turbo settings disabled in BIOS)
MSI 390X at stock speeds (1080MHz core /1500MHz mem)

Using Thief 1.7 Benchmarking utility with all settings at max and Mantel enabled.

I did 7 runs so i could actual get a margin of error to compare. Here are the results.

Min: 56.6---58.0---57.7---56.9---58.0---55.8---57.1

Max: 89.6---89.6---89.6---89.6---89.6---90.5---89.1

AVG: 72.4---72.3---72.8---72.5---73.1---73.3---72.2


Next i made a single change to my BIOS. I changed my Ram Frequency to 1600MHz but left the timings the same.

Min: 52.6---55.8---54.5---56.1---55.8---55.6---54.2

Max: 89.1---90.5---90.0---88.7---89.6---90.5---88.7

AVG: 71.0---71.9---71.1---71.5---71.1---71.1---70.5

I will let the results speak for themselves. I am not claiming this is the end all be all of all results or all tests. I am simply saying that this is what i get when i do tests that anyone can reproduce with similar hardware and software. I get it similar results on every benchmark i do and every test i preform. You can dissect it however you like.

Same as me, there is no benefit by switching from 1600MHz to 2133MHz, I used XPM profile ram is Kingston Beast. CPU 4.8ghz load 1.468V , CPU-NB 2640mhz voltage 1.4V





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hey guys my friend told me u cant oc with cool and quit so i was messing with it and here we go as u read im currently running occt for 7 hours on it so far stable 5^9DDBF2DA695FB5DE52F75D1B2F02EDA3E2064FF79974539F22^pimgpsh_fullsize_distr.png
hours thumb.gif ram @ xmp 1866 9-11-9-27-50 i can no longer understand whats going on lol
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hey guys my friend told me u cant oc with cool and quit so i was messing with it and here we go as u read im currently running occt for 7 hours on it so far stable 5^9DDBF2DA695FB5DE52F75D1B2F02EDA3E2064FF79974539F22^pimgpsh_fullsize_distr.png
hours thumb.gif

 

Good on you for testing it out personally rather than taking someone's supposition as gospel truth. It's can indeed be used with an overclock, it's just much simpler to disable C1E and Cool 'n' Quiet to sort out your initial overclock. Once you've got that done and stable, you can re-enable CnQ, C1E, and APM and then go through your stability battery again. These days I like to pass IBT and then the Y-Cruncher that super @mus1mus brought to my attention, and if my OC with power-saving stuff enabled passes that gauntlet it's right as rain.

     
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hey guys my friend told me u cant oc with cool and quit so i was messing with it and here

This is a misconception reproduced in several overclocking guides, based on experience with AM3. In AM3, many motherboards would automatically lose CnQ, once you overclocked and keeping the setting enabled in BIOS while the motherboard itself was losing it, was counterproductive. It could only bork things. In AM3+, all motherboards can overclock with CnQ enabled (only APM and turbo need disabling) , except from some buggy motherboards that after some point, lose the CnQ (like the Giga UD3P, which i think loses CnQ at 4.5).
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well ok ill go home and try to get it to 5 ghz but my cooler idk if it can the temps are going to be at 80 c i think but so fur c-q took off 7 c so i think it can hendel it ill post tonight thx guys
Edited by herpderpsky - 7/8/16 at 3:09pm
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ya they told me that i need an intel to utilize 1 gtx 980 at 100% but i get 75 fps on 75hz on all the games at 2k and after burner saying im using 42% of my card after unlocking the voltage. am i good for another 3 or 5 years of gaming?

 

At that resolution I think so, and with good cooling you can push that chip a little harder as well. I've handled 1.52v with a Nepton 140xl before, so I think you have a bit more headroom there depending on your cooling.

     
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AMD Ryzen 7 1700X @ 4.0 GHz 1.37v o/s  Biostar X370 GT7 Sapphire Radeon RX Vega 64 8GB HBM2 G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) @ 32... 
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Biostar M200-240 240GB m.2 SATA SSD (Win) Samsung 850 Pro 256GB SSD (Linux) SanDisk Ultra II 480GB SSD (Games) Seagate 2TB SSHD (Storage) 
Optical DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
LG DVD RW Swiftech H220-X2 Swiftech Komodo RX-ECO Vega Water Block XSPC EX240 Rad 
CoolingOSOSMonitor
Gentle Typhoon 120mm x4 Ubuntu 17.10 w/ custom kernel Windows 10 Pro Pixio PX277 27" 1440p 144Hz DP-Adaptive Sync w... 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
JAR-OWL J1 Rainbow LED Mechanical SeaSonic X-Series 1050w Gold+ Corsair 760T Zowie FK1 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Razer Firefly Plantronics Rig 500e Gaming Headset Marantz Pro MPH-1 Monitoring Headphones S.M.S.L SD-793II Audio DAC + Headphone Amplifier 
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Xbox One Controller 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-4790k @ 4.6GHz Asrock Z97 Extreme6 EVGA GTX 1070 SC Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2x8GB) @ 2133 10-10-10-... 
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Intel 530 Series 480GB SSD Seagate 2TB SSHD LG DVD RW Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 10 40" Vizio HDTV HP Generic EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650w 
CaseMouseAudio
Corsair Carbide 300R Logitech Generic HyperX Cloud 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX-6300 @ 4.3GHz 1.35v Biostar TA970 v5.3 MSI HD 6950 2GB G.Skill Ripjaws Z 16GB (4x4GB) 1600 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Cryorig H5 Ultimate Corsair AF120 (White LED) x3 Corsair AF140 (White LED) x2 Windows 10 Pro 
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Dell S2440L Microsoft Ergonomic 4000 EVGA B2 850w Corsair 300R 
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SteelSeries Rival 300 
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