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What about the new Sabertooth?

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/TUF-SABERTOOTH-990FX-R3-0/

I am not joking when i am saying that i find this one of the best looking boards ever.. and look at its features, it has even a fan that blows air on the vrm's, m.2 and a good audio chip!

Its basically an R2.0 with much better features.

It's way better than the R2.0. Like in everything. I never really liked how the R2.0 looks and this one seems to have thrown out of the window and ugliness and the "ceramic coating" and it's more concentrated on the more "essential stuff" (like instead of worrying about ceramics, put a VRM fan!). It looks like an AURA on steroids. Nice touch the 5 LED indicator for troubleshooting on the SB heatsink.

The only thing where ASUS was "stingy" is with the 5K caps. My 75 euro Biostar 970 Plus, has 10K caps and ASUS on the Sabertooth put 5K? Not a real problem though, as 5K will be more than enough unless someone is running hellish temperatures inside his case. For "normal" temps, 5K will be overkill (in solid caps, for every 20C lower temp, lifespan is x10 times).
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It's way better than the R2.0. Like in everything. I never really liked how the R2.0 looks and this one seems to have thrown out of the window and ugliness and the "ceramic coating" and it's more concentrated on the more "essential stuff" (like instead of worrying about ceramics, put a VRM fan!). It looks like an AURA on steroids. Nice touch the 5 LED indicator for troubleshooting on the SB heatsink.

The only thing where ASUS was "stingy" is with the 5K caps. My 75 euro Biostar 970 Plus, has 10K caps and ASUS on the Sabertooth put 5K? Not a real problem though, as 5K will be more than enough unless someone is running hellish temperatures inside his case. For "normal" temps, 5K will be overkill (in solid caps, for every 20C lower temp, lifespan is x10 times).

Yes and in my opinion its the best FX board by far now.. I know what i said about Asus before but they really surprised me with this board.. I am really considering buying this.. don't get me wrong, i like my Gigabyte board but this BIOS is a mess and i do miss the overclocking ability on the Sabertooth to be honest..

What do you mean by 10 or 5K caps?
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Yes and in my opinion its the best FX board by far now.. I know what i said about Asus before but they really surprised me with this board.. I am really considering buying this.. don't get me wrong, i like my Gigabyte board but this BIOS is a mess and i do miss the overclocking ability on the Sabertooth to be honest..

What do you mean by 10 or 5K caps?

Yes, it certainly does look like the best FX motherboard. Even the choke surface is uneven. It has like spikes on top of the choke. This increases surface and thus heat dissipation.

10K or 5K or 2K capacitors,is the rated life for the capacitor in hours. 2K is 2000h life at 105C (usually). 5K is 5000h.

It doesn't look much, but solid capacitors don't follow the Arrhenius formula for electrolytic (where for every 10C lower, life is doubled) and instead it's for every 20C , life is x10. See here. I had saved this, because i searched the issue, when i read that the Asrock 970 extreme3 had 2K Nichicon caps. So at first i thought : 2000K? That's not much.



So if a capacitor is rated at 105C for 5000h (1 year has 8760 hours),

At 85C, it becomes 50.000h (5.7 years)
At 65C it becomes 500.000h (57 years) (in reality this won't happen, since i read in a paper, that solid caps don't vent, like electrolytics do over time, but they have their seal slowly degrading. So at some point it will naturally fail, before the 57 years).

My lowly Asrock 970 Extreme3 has 2K and it's still alive and well, although the first one that i use on my secondary rig, i bought it when Bulldozer was launched and it had a hard life. But at 65C, i should get about 22 years. It's more a matter of prestige, since you can find 10K caps on good Gigabyte boards or even my medium-low Biostar. 5K is Giga 970 UD3P standard.

Gigabyte in the UD4 specs, used to put 50K capacitors!

EDIT:
I suspect that Gigabyte was using the temperature trick to do that, cause i don't see in google 50K caps. So it must be 5K, which becomes 50K at 85C and Giga uses this as advertizing trick. But, i do recall seeing some Gigabyte boards with 10K and i think even 15K caps.




http://www.gigabyte.com/fileupload/microsite/306/images/ud4.html

Although it seems that in UD5 it has nerfed that, because it's now missing. It's no big deal, since even if you have the caps at 85C (which seems improbable to me), you 're going to get 5 years out of them. I think 65C is more probable as temperature and it would explain also why even Gigabyte stopped with the crazy high cap ratings and nerfed. Also abbandoned the "always japanese caps" and went for Apaq in some models, like ASUS (they 're cheaper).

I would worry more about the cap having a premature death due to imperfect manufacturing process, than dying out of exhausting the 5000h life. Cause, i had read a Nichicon paper, that said there was always a small percentage of caps, that had inferior manufacturing quality than the specs. A sort of variability. These are the weak spots really. So, it's where the quality of the manufacturer matters too.

It's more a matter of prestige for the Sabertooth, i think. I mean," come on, this is the Sabertooth and you put 5K caps?" Not much of a real issue. If someone runs them at 85C, i am pretty sure he is some crazy overclocker, who in 5 years will be in his 2nd upgrade.

EDIT 2: Yep, the GIgabyte "black caps", are japanese 10K.

http://www.gigabyte.com/MicroSite/334/images/ud-tech.html

P.S.: Welcome to the club. When you buy Gigabyte, at the beginning you are like "Oh how nice! Solid built, look how cool it runs. Oh well, it has this BIOS bug...oh look and another...oh and how ugly it is". 6 months later, you are "God, i hate this BIOS! Set me free!". biggrin.gif
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@ miklkit

Unless my memory fails me, you pioneered the idea of having a fan situated in the i/o shield, blowing air IN, right? Maybe ASUS should hire you for design advice! (or maybe they read your posts here).


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@ miklkit

Unless my memory fails me, you pioneered the idea of having a fan situated in the i/o shield, blowing air IN, right? Maybe ASUS should hire you for design advice! (or maybe they read your posts here).


only downside there is tradition dictates my air flow pattern (bottom front to top rear)which makes that counter productive lol...but yeah its really sad this didnt come out three years ago...these new boards are looking great
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Yes, it certainly does look like the best FX motherboard. Even the choke surface is uneven. It has like spikes on top of the choke. This increases surface and thus heat dissipation.

10K or 5K or 2K capacitors,is the rated life for the capacitor in hours. 2K is 2000h life at 105C (usually). 5K is 5000h.

It doesn't look much, but solid capacitors don't follow the Arrhenius formula for electrolytic (where for every 10C lower, life is doubled) and instead it's for every 20C , life is x10. See here. I had saved this, because i searched the issue, when i read that the Asrock 970 extreme3 had 2K Nichicon caps. So at first i thought : 2000K? That's not much.



So if a capacitor is rated at 105C for 5000h (1 year has 8760 hours),

At 85C, it becomes 50.000h (5.7 years)
At 65C it becomes 500.000h (57 years) (in reality this won't happen, since i read in a paper, that solid caps don't vent, like electrolytics do over time, but they have their seal slowly degrading. So at some point it will naturally fail, before the 57 years).

My lowly Asrock 970 Extreme3 has 2K and it's still alive and well, although the first one that i use on my secondary rig, i bought it when Bulldozer was launched and it had a hard life. But at 65C, i should get about 22 years. It's more a matter of prestige, since you can find 10K caps on good Gigabyte boards or even my medium-low Biostar. 5K is Giga 970 UD3P standard.

Gigabyte in the UD4 specs, used to put 50K capacitors!

EDIT:
I suspect that Gigabyte was using the temperature trick to do that, cause i don't see in google 50K caps. So it must be 5K, which becomes 50K at 85C and Giga uses this as advertizing trick. But, i do recall seeing some Gigabyte boards with 10K and i think even 15K caps.




http://www.gigabyte.com/fileupload/microsite/306/images/ud4.html

Although it seems that in UD5 it has nerfed that, because it's now missing. It's no big deal, since even if you have the caps at 85C (which seems improbable to me), you 're going to get 5 years out of them. I think 65C is more probable as temperature and it would explain also why even Gigabyte stopped with the crazy high cap ratings and nerfed. Also abbandoned the "always japanese caps" and went for Apaq in some models, like ASUS (they 're cheaper).

I would worry more about the cap having a premature death due to imperfect manufacturing process, than dying out of exhausting the 5000h life. Cause, i had read a Nichicon paper, that said there was always a small percentage of caps, that had inferior manufacturing quality than the specs. A sort of variability. These are the weak spots really. So, it's where the quality of the manufacturer matters too.

It's more a matter of prestige for the Sabertooth, i think. I mean," come on, this is the Sabertooth and you put 5K caps?" Not much of a real issue. If someone runs them at 85C, i am pretty sure he is some crazy overclocker, who in 5 years will be in his 2nd upgrade.

EDIT 2: Yep, the GIgabyte "black caps", are japanese 10K.

http://www.gigabyte.com/MicroSite/334/images/ud-tech.html

P.S.: Welcome to the club. When you buy Gigabyte, at the beginning you are like "Oh how nice! Solid built, look how cool it runs. Oh well, it has this BIOS bug...oh look and another...oh and how ugly it is". 6 months later, you are "God, i hate this BIOS! Set me free!". biggrin.gif

aha, very interesting to read. I use my PC all day long and i do all kinds of stuff with it so i need very good components if i want it to last a long time. Actually i am happy with my Gigabyte board now i have it stabilized. Took me forever though but i am finally there. It isn't as stable as the Sabertooth by a long shot to be honest.. sometimes i have some weird thing going and after a restart everything is normal again, haven't got that with the Sabertooth. I guess every board has it pros and cons and performs differently. I never hat problems with the UD5 rev 1.1 though until it died on me lol.

I think i am okay with Gigabyte for now but if it turns south i go for the Sabertooth instead, maybe i buy one when i can get it for a good price because i like it A LOT. One of the reasons why i went with Gigabyte is because of the aesthetics of the Giga and because of its better features. Now the Sabertooth has both..must... resist... buying... Sabertooth... must pay... bills... lol
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Yes, it certainly does look like the best FX motherboard. Even the choke surface is uneven. It has like spikes on top of the choke. This increases surface and thus heat dissipation.

10K or 5K or 2K capacitors,is the rated life for the capacitor in hours. 2K is 2000h life at 105C (usually). 5K is 5000h.

It doesn't look much, but solid capacitors don't follow the Arrhenius formula for electrolytic (where for every 10C lower, life is doubled) and instead it's for every 20C , life is x10. See here. I had saved this, because i searched the issue, when i read that the Asrock 970 extreme3 had 2K Nichicon caps. So at first i thought : 2000K? That's not much.



So if a capacitor is rated at 105C for 5000h (1 year has 8760 hours),

At 85C, it becomes 50.000h (5.7 years)
At 65C it becomes 500.000h (57 years) (in reality this won't happen, since i read in a paper, that solid caps don't vent, like electrolytics do over time, but they have their seal slowly degrading. So at some point it will naturally fail, before the 57 years).

My lowly Asrock 970 Extreme3 has 2K and it's still alive and well, although the first one that i use on my secondary rig, i bought it when Bulldozer was launched and it had a hard life. But at 65C, i should get about 22 years. It's more a matter of prestige, since you can find 10K caps on good Gigabyte boards or even my medium-low Biostar. 5K is Giga 970 UD3P standard.

Gigabyte in the UD4 specs, used to put 50K capacitors!

EDIT:
I suspect that Gigabyte was using the temperature trick to do that, cause i don't see in google 50K caps. So it must be 5K, which becomes 50K at 85C and Giga uses this as advertizing trick. But, i do recall seeing some Gigabyte boards with 10K and i think even 15K caps.




http://www.gigabyte.com/fileupload/microsite/306/images/ud4.html

Although it seems that in UD5 it has nerfed that, because it's now missing. It's no big deal, since even if you have the caps at 85C (which seems improbable to me), you 're going to get 5 years out of them. I think 65C is more probable as temperature and it would explain also why even Gigabyte stopped with the crazy high cap ratings and nerfed. Also abbandoned the "always japanese caps" and went for Apaq in some models, like ASUS (they 're cheaper).

I would worry more about the cap having a premature death due to imperfect manufacturing process, than dying out of exhausting the 5000h life. Cause, i had read a Nichicon paper, that said there was always a small percentage of caps, that had inferior manufacturing quality than the specs. A sort of variability. These are the weak spots really. So, it's where the quality of the manufacturer matters too.

It's more a matter of prestige for the Sabertooth, i think. I mean," come on, this is the Sabertooth and you put 5K caps?" Not much of a real issue. If someone runs them at 85C, i am pretty sure he is some crazy overclocker, who in 5 years will be in his 2nd upgrade.

EDIT 2: Yep, the GIgabyte "black caps", are japanese 10K.

http://www.gigabyte.com/MicroSite/334/images/ud-tech.html

P.S.: Welcome to the club. When you buy Gigabyte, at the beginning you are like "Oh how nice! Solid built, look how cool it runs. Oh well, it has this BIOS bug...oh look and another...oh and how ugly it is". 6 months later, you are "God, i hate this BIOS! Set me free!". biggrin.gif

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@ miklkit

Unless my memory fails me, you pioneered the idea of having a fan situated in the i/o shield, blowing air IN, right? Maybe ASUS should hire you for design advice! (or maybe they read your posts here).



Yeah, but lots of us are using an additional fan on the vrm's simply because of the heat. Besides, you have to buy an 40mm fan separately because Asus doesn't include a fan lol
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Yes, it certainly does look like the best FX motherboard. Even the choke surface is uneven. It has like spikes on top of the choke. This increases surface and thus heat dissipation.

10K or 5K or 2K capacitors,is the rated life for the capacitor in hours. 2K is 2000h life at 105C (usually). 5K is 5000h.

It doesn't look much, but solid capacitors don't follow the Arrhenius formula for electrolytic (where for every 10C lower, life is doubled) and instead it's for every 20C , life is x10. See here. I had saved this, because i searched the issue, when i read that the Asrock 970 extreme3 had 2K Nichicon caps. So at first i thought : 2000K? That's not much.



So if a capacitor is rated at 105C for 5000h (1 year has 8760 hours),

At 85C, it becomes 50.000h (5.7 years)
At 65C it becomes 500.000h (57 years) (in reality this won't happen, since i read in a paper, that solid caps don't vent, like electrolytics do over time, but they have their seal slowly degrading. So at some point it will naturally fail, before the 57 years).

My lowly Asrock 970 Extreme3 has 2K and it's still alive and well, although the first one that i use on my secondary rig, i bought it when Bulldozer was launched and it had a hard life. But at 65C, i should get about 22 years. It's more a matter of prestige, since you can find 10K caps on good Gigabyte boards or even my medium-low Biostar. 5K is Giga 970 UD3P standard.

Gigabyte in the UD4 specs, used to put 50K capacitors!

EDIT:
I suspect that Gigabyte was using the temperature trick to do that, cause i don't see in google 50K caps. So it must be 5K, which becomes 50K at 85C and Giga uses this as advertizing trick. But, i do recall seeing some Gigabyte boards with 10K and i think even 15K caps.




http://www.gigabyte.com/fileupload/microsite/306/images/ud4.html

Although it seems that in UD5 it has nerfed that, because it's now missing. It's no big deal, since even if you have the caps at 85C (which seems improbable to me), you 're going to get 5 years out of them. I think 65C is more probable as temperature and it would explain also why even Gigabyte stopped with the crazy high cap ratings and nerfed. Also abbandoned the "always japanese caps" and went for Apaq in some models, like ASUS (they 're cheaper).

I would worry more about the cap having a premature death due to imperfect manufacturing process, than dying out of exhausting the 5000h life. Cause, i had read a Nichicon paper, that said there was always a small percentage of caps, that had inferior manufacturing quality than the specs. A sort of variability. These are the weak spots really. So, it's where the quality of the manufacturer matters too.

It's more a matter of prestige for the Sabertooth, i think. I mean," come on, this is the Sabertooth and you put 5K caps?" Not much of a real issue. If someone runs them at 85C, i am pretty sure he is some crazy overclocker, who in 5 years will be in his 2nd upgrade.

EDIT 2: Yep, the GIgabyte "black caps", are japanese 10K.

http://www.gigabyte.com/MicroSite/334/images/ud-tech.html

P.S.: Welcome to the club. When you buy Gigabyte, at the beginning you are like "Oh how nice! Solid built, look how cool it runs. Oh well, it has this BIOS bug...oh look and another...oh and how ugly it is". 6 months later, you are "God, i hate this BIOS! Set me free!". biggrin.gif

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only downside there is tradition dictates my air flow pattern (bottom front to top rear)which makes that counter productive lol...but yeah its really sad this didnt come out three years ago...these new boards are looking great

Its called marketing. If they did this 3 years ago, no one would buy any of the other boards i guess. Plus the newer features weren't there yet, its just an update and i am very happy they went this way instead of leaving the AM3+ socket for what it is.
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speaking of zen...... please msi do this for amd...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130870&ignorebbr=1&cm_re=PPSSHTOXJOTLDF-_-13-130-870-_-Product

just sexay

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It is very pretty and I can easily see MSI doing it for Zen (secretly wishing for them to make one biggrin.gif )
 
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You are probably using the non-AVX enabled version, instead of the AVX version, which is in the 1st page of this thread. The other possibility is that you are throttling. But most likely you downloaded IBT for somewhere in the web, instead of getting the AVX version from here.
Thank you soo much. I feel soo dumb... I downloaded actually like 5 times from 5 diff sites the IBT and all of them gave me the same results with the same hearth attack that my PC have something issue.
Also. I just noticed that for some reason my core clocks are "jumping" at random times... I just set a 4.2Ghz OC. No big deal. All settings that could lower CPU clock disabled in BIOS such as Cool'n'Quiet . The OC is stable as hell. No heat issue. ( Max core temp is 46C after 1and a half hour prime95 and the socket temp is also like +~10C ) . VRM arent gettin hot. Cores arent stopping... So i have no idea why. But all the monitoring softwares shows that at some point the CPU core clock went down from 4.2Ghz to like 3.1 Or so. NB and SB are cool, below 50C all the time...
Its a cheap 4+2 power phase mobo thoe! Might be becouse of that? I'm currently waiting for my new mobo to arrive. Current mobo is an old Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 and i'm waiting for a Asus M5A99X EVO R2.0 to arrive. Even tho this old mobo doesnt ment for OC i dont think it should give me such an issue. Also i have heatsink for the mosfets from another board + i have a fan blowing air on it. And i also tested the heat of it under load. The mosfets themselfs get upto around 60C without heatsink underload. And when i put back the heatsink (with thermal pads ofc) the heatsink itself never goes above 50C at max. Its around the 40-45C . So not sure whats going on here. Everything that could lower CPU clock is disabled in BIOS. Win10 set to performance on energy tab. So idk.
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Look in the BIOS for HPC mode and make sure it is ENABLED. It tends to get over looked a lot and has been the issue for lots of people on here.
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Look in the BIOS for HPC mode and make sure it is ENABLED. It tends to get over looked a lot and has been the issue for lots of people on here.
Thx. But i dont even think this old mobo have this option lel.
Edited by MrMetaton - 7/16/16 at 8:40am
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