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720p(120hz) for 3D projector (3d gaming) and 1080p(60hz) for monitor. My cpu is overclocked 4.5ghz but I can go 4.6-4.7 with removing side panel.
dont bother with a 1080 at those resolutions. Its simply a waste if money. Get yourself a rx480 or a more competitively priced gpu.

Excellent advice. I play at 1080p and I don't see myself upgrading for several years to come. I have this 290 overclocked to between 390 and 390X levels so it's doing spectacularly for my needs.

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Nice, that's good to know! thumb.gif If i encounter again another user with the same problem, now i know the solution. Yeah, i am not a dangerous surfer either, but there was a wave of malvertizing that hit even the BBC, so you never know. I haven't seen a live malware myself for years, but i did have a friend that almost infected me via USB flash drive. At the time i had antivirus that saw nothing, but i also had Comodo with D+ enabled and i blocked it. So i am hesitant to stay without any protection at all and since i don't value AVs much, i have to use some other form of defence (preferably HIPS, like Comodo firewall with D+ fully proactive).

Yes it is, it really helped me to disable hardware acceleration, i don't know if it depends on the system if you running Nvidia or AMD GPU or Intel and AMD CPU but i think its AMD CPU related since the single core performance is very very very slow which cause problems in applications that only uses one core.

I tried a lot of virus scanners and i must say that its really unnecessary if you keep away from dangerous sites. they also slow your system down by a lot and takes away the snappiness.
I used NOD32 for years and years and never been infected but it was slowing my system down and was over protective IMO because it finds more "false positives" than real threads i noticed so i deleted it and i am much happier now i run without an virus scanner. And lets be honest, if someone has the intention to infect you they will succeed even with the most advanced anti virus, i know some guys that hack for anonymous and they explained a lot about this and said it doesn't matter what scanner or software you have to prevent this, nothing can beat an brute force attack. The programs are fine against malware and other light viruses but against something serious you are still defenseless.

When i notice my system doesn't respond like it should, i just run adwcleaner and all is well after deleting some infections after that i run sfc / scannow just in case and repair some .dll files if necessary and it runs like new again.

In order to maintain the snappiness in Windows, i always keep my system clean and delete all unnecessary files ,empty folders and windows temp files. I discovered that after deleting temp files in the Windows section of the C: drive everything responses a tad better and faster. All these little things can add up and you have an very snappy Windows 10.

There are no such things as safe websites and even script block and ad blockers can't stop you from getting infected. AV resource use is negligible unless you're using an ancient CPU with low amounts of RAM. My laptop's ULV, low clocked CPU isn't affected in any way by any of the AV's I've run as they usually use less than 1% CPU time.

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There are no such things as safe websites and even script block and ad blockers can't stop you from getting infected. AV resource use is negligible unless you're using an ancient CPU with low amounts of RAM. My laptop's ULV, low clocked CPU isn't affected in any way by any of the AV's I've run as they usually use less than 1% CPU time.

It's not a matter of resource usage. It is a matter of responsiveness. Not all people are equally sensitive to it. I can see it everytime, when i try to quickly go through many folders. Even the "tick" sound that windows makes when you go through becomes less snappy.

Even the test authorities that live out of antivirus (their tests are financed by the vendors and partecipation to each test costs more than 10.000 euros), admit it:

http://www.av-comparatives.org/performance-tests/

^ Mind you, the same tests, show all AVs, in the 95%+ detection rate, which is ridiculous in real life, but like i said, they are paid by the AV companies to make these tests, so they can't have anyone look "terrible". "Bad antivirus" = "no money for testing for me".

You can test yourself using AppTimer, before and after installing antivirus. The lag is very simple. For any action you do, first it must pass from the scanner. This is what introduces the lag. Some antiviruses also have sandboxes or miniHIPS. This means, that the AV driver hooks on all API calls of windows. Or at least, the ones covered by the miniHIPS. So each action an exe performs for example, must first get the "OK" from the AV driver. In whitelists programs it must be checked against the whitelist and the bigger this is, the more the lag. I WISH it wasn't true, but it is. I 've made all kind of tests in over 10 years hoping that it was a "nocebo" effect that didn't exist. Unfortunately, i always had the same feeling, then avcomparatives came, AppTimer confirmed. HTTP scanners from AVs also add lag to browisng. I had the Avast developer admit it in a forum saying "there is no way not so have some lag, from the moment that all your traffic must first be inspected on the fly".


This is John McAfee's words after he abbandoned the McAfee Antivirus company:
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You have no idea how glad I am about that. It’s become the worst piece of SW on the planet. You cannot uninstall, scans all the time, slow as ****, I’d have fired them, thank goodness I’ve freed from association with that.
http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/09/03/john-mcafee-antivirus-is-dead/

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I'm not running an antivirus, last time I installed AVG it completely wrecked my PC, and when I used to use Norton, if you didn't have a subscription your PC was useless.
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It's not a matter of resource usage. It is a matter of responsiveness. Not all people are equally sensitive to it. I can see it everytime, when i try to quickly go through many folders. Even the "tick" sound that windows makes when you go through becomes less snappy.

Even the test authorities that live out of antivirus (their tests are financed by the vendors and partecipation to each test costs more than 10.000 euros), admit it:

http://www.av-comparatives.org/performance-tests/

^ Mind you, the same tests, show all AVs, in the 95%+ detection rate, which is ridiculous in real life, but like i said, they are paid by the AV companies to make these tests, so they can't have anyone look "terrible". "Bad antivirus" = "no money for testing for me".

You can test yourself using AppTimer, before and after installing antivirus. The lag is very simple. For any action you do, first it must pass from the scanner. This is what introduces the lag. Some antiviruses also have sandboxes or miniHIPS. This means, that the AV driver hooks on all API calls of windows. Or at least, the ones covered by the miniHIPS. So each action an exe performs for example, must first get the "OK" from the AV driver. In whitelists programs it must be checked against the whitelist and the bigger this is, the more the lag. I WISH it wasn't true, but it is. I 've made all kind of tests in over 10 years hoping that it was a "nocebo" effect that didn't exist. Unfortunately, i always had the same feeling, then avcomparatives came, AppTimer confirmed. HTTP scanners from AVs also add lag to browisng. I had the Avast developer admit it in a forum saying "there is no way not so have some lag, from the moment that all your traffic must first be inspected on the fly".


This is John McAfee's words after he abbandoned the McAfee Antivirus company:

Honestly, I see little difference nowadays when it comes to anti virus software, for the most part. (I just use the built in Windows Defender.) On the other hand, I have noticed recently that Malwarebytes Anti malware running in the background does cause some issues. For instance, when it is not running the background on startup, Task Manager opens instantly. But, when it is running in the background, Task Manager can take a couple extra seconds or so to open, which is really not good in my opinion.
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Honestly, I see little difference nowadays when it comes to anti virus software, for the most part. (I just use the built in Windows Defender.) On the other hand, I have noticed recently that Malwarebytes Anti malware running in the background does cause some issues. For instance, when it is not running the background on startup, Task Manager opens instantly. But, when it is running in the background, Task Manager can take a couple extra seconds or so to open, which is really not good in my opinion.

Try Ashampoo antivirus (it has dual engine) and let me know if you notice little difference or not. biggrin.gif Each antivirus has more or less drag according to the operation conducted. But they all add a small lag when browsing quickly though folders. And this is more visible, in HDD. I have SSD and HDD as secondary. In the HDD i have folders inside a folder, inside a folder. Without antivirus, i can go really quickly, through them. With antivirus (or security software that uses kernel hooks), there is a sort of hesitation. It's milliseconds, but it's there... I restore clean images every 2 months more or less, to a state where Windows is in pristine conditions. And i immediately notice the difference compared to when i 've added security applications and as soon as i add one. It's inevitable, because when you run such things, each action you do, must first run through the security application to get the green light. So it's inevitable to have some lag. It's just not always the same for all kind of operations. Depends on the product.

Many antiviruses nowdays, try to mitigate this, but tagging the already scanned files, so that they don't scan them again when opened a second time. Reading the tag is faster than rescanning. Although there is still an added lag, albeit lesser. The downside with this strategy, is that if some advanced malware code injects a file that was already tagged as "clean", your antivirus has good chances of never seeing it, until you do a full disk scan manually. In the meantime you will be infected.
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I can't use AMD GPU-s because 3D gaming isn't working well because Tridef 3D is outdated and only Nvidia 3D vision works well and they update it. So only Nvidia GPU-s for me. I still use overclocked GTX480 so I need GPU upgrade.
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1060/1070 would suffice in your use-case, I think.

     
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In this price scenario where a 970 aura costs 80 euros and a crosshair formula Z costs 190, what does the formula Z add to the table to make the price difference noticeable? Both with 16gb of tridentx 2400 cl10 ram and a 8370.

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In this price scenario where a 970 aura costs 80 euros and a crosshair formula Z costs 190, what does the formula Z add to the table to make the price difference noticeable? Both with 16gb of tridentx 2400 cl10 ram and a 8370.

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The Formula Z gives 3 way crossfire/SLI vs 2 way of the AURA. Or it gives x16/x16 dual crossfire vs x8/x8 of the AURA (i believe the difference is 0 to 1 fps).
The Formula Z gives more SATA and USB ports, but no M2 and no USB 3.1
The Formula Z makes overclocking past 4.5Ghz easier.

IMHO, the Formula Z is wasted money, as feature wise the Aura is better and number of ports on any 970 motherboard is more than enough. With 10 euros you can even buy a USB hub and add 4 more USB ports.
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Crucial BX100 250GB Western Digital Green 2TB LiteOn Blu-Ray Burner IHBS 112-2 LG BH16NS55 Blu-Ray Burner 
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Scythe Katana 3 Windows 7 Pro 64bit ASUS 22" VS228HR Microsoft Wired Keyboard 600 
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EVGA 430W Sharkoon VG4-V Logitech M90 Onboard 
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FX-8300 Asrock 970 Extreme3 HIS 6570 Silence Corsair XMS3 1600Mhz 8GB (2x4GB) CAS9 
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