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in my case the e chip i got (8320e) ran much lower voltages up until 4.5 then voltage scaling escalated quickly and wasnt fully stable at 4.8 at lower than the non e...some people here have gotten very nice e chips though that punish both my 8320 and the e variant by quite a margin...at any clock/voltage...i was an early adopter of the e series and mine sipped voltage up till 4.4...
Anandtech had the same results with their 8320E. The voltage required for 4.5 was low but then it jumped dramatically. They called 4.8 stable but their overclocking methodology is so lax* I assume it wasn't since they had a system freeze at 4.9. A system freeze means your overclock isn't even slightly close to stable.

*They just use OCCT and consider an overclock that fails to complete an encoding stress test "stable enough".

As far as mine goes, the sweet spot is 4.4. But the voltage required also depends heavily on temperature. If I crank up the noisy Vardar fans, take the shroud off the top of the case, put the case fans at max, and keep the ambient low enough I need a lot less voltage for 4.4 than with a more moderate noise level, a fully enclosed case, and room temperature above 70 or so. The quality of one's motherboard also makes a difference. Anandtech was using an AsRock board with considerable droop. My board doesn't have much droop but it has a low-grade VRM sink/pad and fewer phases than a top-end board. The board also forces use of BCLK to go past 4.4 which is a major PITA.
Edited by superstition222 - 8/21/16 at 2:18pm
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Anandtech had the same results with their 8320E. The voltage required for 4.5 was low but then it jumped dramatically. They called 4.8 stable but their overclocking methodology is so lax* I assume it wasn't since they had a system freeze at 4.9. A system freeze means your overclock isn't even slightly close to stable.

*They just use OCCT and consider an overclock that fails to complete an encoding stress test "stable enough".

As far as mine goes, the sweet spot is 4.4. But the voltage required also depends heavily on temperature. If I crank up the noisy Vardar fans, take the shroud off the top of the case, put the case fans at max, and keep the ambient low enough I need a lot less voltage for 4.4 than with a more moderate noise level, a fully enclosed case, and room temperature above 70 or so. The quality of one's motherboard also makes a difference. Anandtech was using an AsRock board with considerable droop. My board doesn't have much droop but it has a low-grade VRM sink/pad and fewer phases than a top-end board. The board also forces use of BCLK to go past 4.4 which is a major PITA.
yeah i run 40 very high on ibt then 12 hours of prime blend then 12 hours of custom small fts...once i think it's close to being solid anyway...before that i use ibt ten runs very high to get voltages in the ballpark...
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Okay, well the thing is is that my memory is running at stock speeds so it cannot be the memory. Mine problem was solved when i uninstalled Flash but i had to install it again because some applications requires Flash unfortunately.

I can run the beta of speedtest.net so im good.

No nb or HT overclock?
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No nb or HT overclock?

The NB is at stock and the NB is at 2600MHz in order to maintain 2400MHz ram speed. Yesterday i was thinking about what you said about RAM instability and that you had similar problems. I went to the BIOS and RAM was set at stock timings @ 2400MHz but it was running at 1T instead of stock 2T, i changed it to 2T and it looks like i gained a little stability. I have no idea why it was set to 1T to be honest but i know now that my current setup doesn't like 1T at all. It seems to be very hard for the CPU to maintain 4.8GHz, 2600MHz NB and 2 sticks of 8GB running at 2400MHz on 1T.

I don't know if its the board or chip degradation (if that is possible int he first place) but i need A LOT more voltage on this board than i needed on the Sabertooth at the same settings. On the sabertooth i needed 1.488vcore for 4.8Ghz and now i need 1.55vcore in BIOS in order to stabilize it. I know the sabertooth is an overclocking board and this is an gaming board but the difference in voltage is pretty big.
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My GByte board shows my 8350 @ 2400Mhz stock NB. I bumped it up to 2600 because I thought that was stock, but RAM becomes unstable.
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The NB is at stock and the NB is at 2600MHz in order to maintain 2400MHz ram speed. Yesterday i was thinking about what you said about RAM instability and that you had similar problems. I went to the BIOS and RAM was set at stock timings @ 2400MHz but it was running at 1T instead of stock 2T, i changed it to 2T and it looks like i gained a little stability. I have no idea why it was set to 1T to be honest but i know now that my current setup doesn't like 1T at all. It seems to be very hard for the CPU to maintain 4.8GHz, 2600MHz NB and 2 sticks of 8GB running at 2400MHz on 1T.

I don't know if its the board or chip degradation (if that is possible int he first place) but i need A LOT more voltage on this board than i needed on the Sabertooth at the same settings. On the sabertooth i needed 1.488vcore for 4.8Ghz and now i need 1.55vcore in BIOS in order to stabilize it. I know the sabertooth is an overclocking board and this is an gaming board but the difference in voltage is pretty big.

Glad I could help, it drove me crazy for a while, even turned down my OC etc but in the end it was just a RAM issue. The sabertooth uses better parts etc too, it could be a case of VDROOP etc or parts getting too hot and losing their stability.
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Glad I could help, it drove me crazy for a while, even turned down my OC etc but in the end it was just a RAM issue. The sabertooth uses better parts etc too, it could be a case of VDROOP etc or parts getting too hot and losing their stability.
clean power delivery does wonders...for instance the asrock boards have droop from bios to windows and from idle to load...at least the ones without llc...couple that with high temps and its even worse
Edited by mfknjadagr8 - 8/24/16 at 6:50am
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2 sticks at 2400MHz 1T? That is easy. biggrin.gif

Board helps. (pssst, return that giga and grab the kitty already!) tongue.gif
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Glad I could help, it drove me crazy for a while, even turned down my OC etc but in the end it was just a RAM issue. The sabertooth uses better parts etc too, it could be a case of VDROOP etc or parts getting too hot and losing their stability.

Yeah, i am glad i found it. I didn't set the memory timings so i have no idea how it happened so i never looked in to that.

The Sabertooth is a much much better board i realize now, it has better BIOS better components etc. The only plus side on this board is that i actually can see how hot the vrm's get, on the Sabertooth i got all kinds of weird issues when i enabled the EC sensor but maybe its fixed int he new revision.


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Glad I could help, it drove me crazy for a while, even turned down my OC etc but in the end it was just a RAM issue. The sabertooth uses better parts etc too, it could be a case of VDROOP etc or parts getting too hot and losing their stability.

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2 sticks at 2400MHz 1T? That is easy. biggrin.gif

Board helps. (pssst, return that giga and grab the kitty already!) tongue.gif

Maybe there was a wrong setting or this board is just a bad overclocker because on the Sabertooth i could bench as high as 5.3Ghz and run 2400MHz easily even on 1T so i guess its the board..

I emailed my retail store about this issue i have with this particular board and that this is the second board that went bad on me, their answer was to quickly swap it for the Sabertooth R3.0. I didn't even ask for it yet to be honest, i just complained that i have some issues with it. Next week they have the new revision and they going to swap it for me. That's what i call great service!
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You know what, with the amount of time you have spent on this platform, stop acting, throwing fallacies and assuming that your GIGA can match an ASUS!
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