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Yeah, in WoWs it was a specific thread synchronization issue. The more threads the game spawned, the more time it spent on thread management. It would max out all 8 cores for simple programmatically implemented barrier alignment tasks. The overhead simply got out of control after 4 cores and it tanked the main game thread. Someone with a 20 core workstation was getting 10 or less FPS because of it.

--edit, remembered exactly what it was doing--
Oh yeah, it was context switches. A general CPU usage graph would show 100% CPU usage for "system/kernel" as the system paged the thread data from one core to the next. I think on an 8 core it was context switching in the ballpark of 80k times per second.
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Yeah, in WoWs it was a specific thread synchronization issue. The more threads the game spawned, the more time it spent on thread management. It would max out all 8 cores for simple programmatically implemented barrier alignment tasks. The overhead simply got out of control after 4 cores and it tanked the main game thread. Someone with a 20 core workstation was getting 10 or less FPS because of it.

I see...Well, maybe something similar is happening here too. This game in task manager actually shows a gazillion threads in task manager, so if it tries to sync all that, no wonder it drops to 3fps... Anyway, i can live with it... I will probably have to be careful when tapping the time acceleration button to not exceed x3 (because at x5 it's stutterfest). With the Athlon the x5 had no trouble, but it was also slower. So maybe i can workaround by using lower time acceleration, although it's not very practical, since by instinct you try to hit the button to the max (5 times).
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Graphs like this from PCper found in the link below scared me a bit about the future performance of my FX-8 chip in CPU heavy games. Glad i checked this for myself. Im guessing the huge difference in scores is likely due to running the 8370 at stock, which is far from ideal and not something anyone should be doing that is on here.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/DX12-GPU-and-CPU-Performance-Tested-Ashes-Singularity-Benchmark/Results-Avera



Based on these numbers my FX-8320E at 4.5GHz is scoring a (26.5) in DX11 and a (50.1) in DX12 on high 1080p settings, which puts it just a hair behind the i7-6700K .
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Doubt it, very much so. Being that the only board that beats the saber is the CHV and the fatality will do what it's called in fatally killing your components.

Your have no idea what you are talking about sir. smile.gif
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Graphs like this from PCper found in the link below scared me a bit about the future performance of my FX-8 chip in CPU heavy games. Glad i checked this for myself. Im guessing the huge difference in scores is likely due to running the 8370 at stock, which is far from ideal and not something anyone should be doing that is on here.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/DX12-GPU-and-CPU-Performance-Tested-Ashes-Singularity-Benchmark/Results-Avera Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Based on these numbers my FX-8320E at 4.5GHz is scoring a (26.5) in DX11 and a (50.1) in DX12 on high 1080p settings, which puts it just a hair behind the i7-6700K .

DX12 or not, AoTS is still an RTS game
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Sauce: http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-6700k-6600k-amd-fx-8370
 
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I owned a Fatality Pro. And I can tell you it was a very solid board. Overclocked like a champ too. I bought my CHV-z thinking I might get better clocks but I was wrong, it didn't make a difference. smile.gif Both boards are very good.

It's not about the clocks so much as it is in it's ability to take the abuse and keep going under pressure.

I've owned a few that while they were indeed "Solid" and clocked well they croaked when things got wild.
The old MSI 790FX GD70 I have was a perfect example of it - The one I have worked well as an everyday rig and didn't have any problems even when OC'ed, it just ran and that was it..... Or was it?

That changed in a hurry once the 1100T was dropped in and OC'ed.

Like other boards of that model once the strain was really on it, the board just tapped out.

I'm not saying a Fatality isn't good for most uses BUT in comparison to the Sabertooth and CHV-Z it's just not in the same league - I woudn't trust it to hold up under one of my 6GHz+ sub-zero benching sessions for long, esp if I were to drop my 9590 in - The fatality biggrin.gif term from Mortal Kombat "Finish Him" would apply and I just can't afford that.
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Doubt it, very much so. Being that the only board that beats the saber is the CHV and the fatality will do what it's called in fatally killing your components.

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It's not about the clocks so much as it is in it's ability to take the abuse and keep going under pressure.

I've owned a few that while they were indeed "Solid" and clocked well they croaked when things got wild.
The old MSI 790FX GD70 I have was a perfect example of it - The one I have worked well as an everyday rig and didn't have any problems even when OC'ed, it just ran and that was it..... Or was it?

That changed in a hurry once the 1100T was dropped in and OC'ed.

Like other boards of that model once the strain was really on it, the board just tapped out.

I'm not saying a Fatality isn't good for most uses BUT in comparison to the Sabertooth and CHV-Z it's just not in the same league - I woudn't trust it to hold up under one of my 6GHz+ sub-zero benching sessions for long, esp if I were to drop my 9590 in - The fatality biggrin.gif term from Mortal Kombat "Finish Him" would apply and I just can't afford that.

My Pro ran 24/7 Overclocked for around 3 years, and it still runs like a champ.
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I owned a Fatality Pro. And I can tell you it was a very solid board. Overclocked like a champ too. I bought my CHV-z thinking I might get better clocks but I was wrong, it didn't make a difference. smile.gif Both boards are very good.

It's not about the clocks so much as it is in it's ability to take the abuse and keep going under pressure.

I've owned a few that while they were indeed "Solid" and clocked well they croaked when things got wild.
The old MSI 790FX GD70 I have was a perfect example of it - The one I have worked well as an everyday rig and didn't have any problems even when OC'ed, it just ran and that was it..... Or was it?

That changed in a hurry once the 1100T was dropped in and OC'ed.

Like other boards of that model once the strain was really on it, the board just tapped out.

I'm not saying a Fatality isn't good for most uses BUT in comparison to the Sabertooth and CHV-Z it's just not in the same league - I woudn't trust it to hold up under one of my 6GHz+ sub-zero benching sessions for long, esp if I were to drop my 9590 in - The fatality biggrin.gif term from Mortal Kombat "Finish Him" would apply and I just can't afford that.

Pro =/= Killer

Pro was a damn good board, Killer was just damned
 
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My Pro ran 24/7 Overclocked for around 3 years, and it still runs like a champ.

Oh yeah - The Pro version itself is good and if I had to go with one of those it would be the Pro or nothing.

Even the MSI I referred to was ran OC'ed for a good while and performed well.
All I'm saying is if you were to go completely-off-the-wall-crazy like I do with these at times I'd have to wonder if it has the guts to hold out but from what I've seen about the Pro it probrably would to an extent at least. I do know the Sabertooth and CHV-Z's I have are still running to this day as yours does, even the older CHV I have after being frozen and volted up numerous times worked great as a DD for at least a year until I upgraded the machine with something newer (Another CHV-Z) and it still works as it should now.

As for the Killer, talk about role-reversal......rolleyes.gif Maybe it should have been named "Victim" instead. biggrin.gif

It's all good, as long as it's working for you that's well enough.... And that's what counts in the end.
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Originally it was a tossup for me between the Sabertooth/Fatality Pro. I ended up ordering a Sabertooth, and unfortunately it arrived DOA. I sent it back and ordered the Pro, and was so happy with it that I never looked back. It is a shame that the killer was such a disappointment. Don't get me wrong, I love my CHV-z. But I have to be honest when it comes to the Pro. because that board really is a great board. Most people who comment on it, have never even used it. wink.gif

Now if you are going to be serious about benching with LN2, then maybe there is a point to be made. But for all practicality the Pro is an excellent board for overclocking and certainly on par with the Sabertooth..
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