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Headache already? Wait until the real GIga AM4 board come out and the forum will be flooded with "help, strange things happen in my Giga board". People will be tearing their hair apart for like 6 months before they figure out the BIOS quirks. lachen.gif I keep discovering quirks 2 years after the purchase. So far on the UD3P:

- With BIOS F1, double boot is avoided with Turbo on.
- With BIOS F2G, you can disable turbo and double boot doesn't occur.
- My front USB 3 header works after driver installation, until reboot. After reboot, front USB3 ports give power, but devices don't get recognized. All works if i use USB3 to USB2 adapter cable, using them as USB2 instead. I even changed computer case, with the suspicion that maybe there was incompatibility between mobo and the port controller of the case. All the VIA USB drivers had bugs.
- In Linux, mouse and keyboard are dead, unless i enable IOMMU in BIOS.
- With BIOS F2G, if i change settings, i get constant boot screen that my settings are bad. You need to revert to factory defaults, boot at stock speed and then try again or something similar. I 've lost track of the exact procedure really. Last time it happened it would also refuse to work with AMD Msr Tweaker. Eventually i get it right at some point.
- Past 4.4Ghz, Cool N Quiet is lost.
- When i installed 4 RAM sticks, it would see either 12GB or something else (i don't remember, 14?). Reinstalling Windows didn't help. It decided to see 16GB, only when i changed the order on the DIMMs.
- The first VIA audio driver was causing static noise at high volumes. It was eventually corrected with newer driver. The newer driver has no noise, but sometimes, something happens and the output volume is somewhat reduced and gets back to normal after reboot.
- If you manually undervolt directly in BIOS, increasing the clock (4Ghz) and reducing the vcore, you either lose CnQ or you get "bad settings" BIOS screen. I don't remember which one. You need to keep vcore to auto and have AMD Msr Tweaker to do the undervolting. Since last time it suddenly didn't like AMD Msr Tweaker, now i have simply auto vcore (1.32v) and low LLC. It undervolts a bit... I am too tired to attempt to fix Msr Tweaker anymore.


This in a motherboard, where GIgabyte had "years of experience": biggrin.gifrolleyes.giflachen.gif And you think YOU had a headache? biggrin.gif

Yeah, i can definitely see me buying Gigabyte again! lachen.gif (unfortunately, i even bought TWO UD3P). Seriously, i bought the UD3Ps, out of fear about the longevity of the ASrock 970 extreme3 with 8320@4Ghz. But, after the Gigabyte ordeal, i now look with more understanding towards the Asrock. I mean, ok, it has weak VRM, but there are no strange things happening in the BIOS. Everything you select, simply works. Gigabyte is pure frustration on the other hand.

The poor bastards that will buy 1st gen AM4 motherboards from Gigabyte, can't even imagine what will hit them. lachen.gif

Wauw, this post made me laugh real hard man, be careful with these posts, i almost spilled my coffee LMAO.

I have to tell you man, i admire your patience. I am an mechanic and they are known about their short temper sometimes lol I don't have the patience for incompetent manufactures that don't give a nickle about their customers. Not only for PC parts but also when i buy tools and other stuff i need and pay good money for. I sure don't want to spend my hard earned Euro's to a company that have no idea what they are doing and are not willing or are to incompetent on fixing the problems. I will deal with such company's shortly and swiftly.

I too feel sorry for the poor bastards that buy AM4 motherboards, god help em all...
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This will surely become the next dreaded UD3 board! biggrin.gif
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Zen is probably so efficient it doesn't need any more than 4 phases to reach 5 ghz tongue.gif

Pretty sure that's 7 phase

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This will surely become the next dreaded UD3 board! biggrin.gif
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Zen is probably so efficient it doesn't need any more than 4 phases to reach 5 ghz tongue.gif

I'm gonna remember you said that tongue.gif

Also.....That's probably a B series board, AMD are doing the same thing as Intel with Zen in that they are separating the chipsets, the ones you guys will want fall into the "X" category (Same as Intels "Z" series)

Yep A320 , B350 and X370. I haven't heard this thing about "the same as intel" Since the only chipsets they allow to OC are the "Z" but this was done with the B350 apparently http://www.fudzilla.com/news/processors/41695-bristol-ridge-seriously-overclocked
This is an early board, probably designed more around the Bristol Ridge than Zen since I doubt there are many "Zen" samples available ATM

I mean tit more along the lines of a Letter then number to mark the series than overclocking potential but in the case of AM4 I'd rather go straight for a high end board and a lower end CPU then upgrade the CPU later on.
 
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I'm saving here so I can grab a good set as soon as they hit local soil. X chipset for real!
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Hard to say whether or not they'll (x370) be available with the launch of bristol ridge. I hope so.
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Yeah. With Bristol Ridge already rolling out, we are very much looking into 2017 for a Zen CPU.

Also, these rumors about Apple looking into AMD SOC for their future laptops say something about AMD's line up at hand. They surely know something beyond what these current rumors about Zen/AMD than anyone else.
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Wauw, this post made me laugh real hard man, be careful with these posts, i almost spilled my coffee LMAO.

Well, to each his own. I usually just want to take a hammer and smash it really. You don't know how many times i wished it fried. When i booted to Linux and got no keyboard or mouse, at first i thought: "Yay! Finally! It died!". Then my enthusiasm fell as soon as i thought "strange, they were both working just a while ago in Windows. Is it possible that i am so lucky"? biggrin.gif
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I have to tell you man, i admire your patience. I am an mechanic and they are known about their short temper sometimes lol I don't have the patience for incompetent manufactures that don't give a nickle about their customers. Not only for PC parts but also when i buy tools and other stuff i need and pay good money for. I sure don't want to spend my hard earned Euro's to a company that have no idea what they are doing and are not willing or are to incompetent on fixing the problems. I will deal with such company's shortly and swiftly.

I too feel sorry for the poor bastards that buy AM4 motherboards, god help em all...

The beauty is that it's journey of discovery! You don't see all these at once! No! You discover them through the years! That you lose CnQ past 4.4Ghz, i learnt it from a guy here that i was trying to help for example. I tested mine and he was right! I was losing it too! I hadn't noticed because i only went to 4.5Ghz once...

And now, look at what i just saw! One month ago, GIgabyte updated the USB driver list in the website and listed an...ancient driver!



V4.20 i think i never used it. It's too old. Could it be that after 2 years they noticed that something is wrong with USB? Could it be that it solves my problem too? Or is it just another game of Gigabyte, to force me to open the case, disconnect the USB3 to USB2 adapter cable, with the hope that it is fixed, only to laugh again at my face when i see that nothing changed? lachen.gif Now, generally, i am patient, but with this motherboard, i 've burnt through my patience reserves, so i don't even have the energy to try this.

Yeah, i want to deal with this company shortly and swiftly too, but i have misplaced my hammer... tongue.gif

Uhhh, yeah, Gigabyte never again. It has made me redeem Asrock.

P.S.: Did i mention that the mouse is sooooo slow in the UEFI, that it's unusable? You don't need a phD to understand that the Gigabyte programmers are a bunch of monkeys. That alone and the fugly UEFI are enough. For those who still have doubts, you can try the god awful "Gigabyte utilities", which must be the most user-unfriendly and useless pieces of software ever bundled with a motherboard.

EDIT: I just tried and now USB 3 works with my normal (v4.90) drivers. I 'll be damned if i know why... The only thing i 've changed compared to the past 2 years, is that now i run without AMD Msr Tweaker... Whatever...I am not going to even try to figure this out... I have front USB3 again! thumbsupsmiley.png Imagine that i even bought a USB3 front panel, thinking that maybe it was incompatibility problem. So now i have 4 front USB2 ports and 2 USB3.

EDIT 2: Cancel that, the ports stopped working again after i went to BIOS and rebooted. Trying to install v4.20 says that there is no supported hardware on the computer... Where did i put the USB3 to USB2 cable again? rolleyes.gif
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Well, to each his own. I usually just want to take a hammer and smash it really. You don't know how many times i wished it fried. When i booted to Linux and got no keyboard or mouse, at first i thought: "Yay! Finally! It died!". Then my enthusiasm fell as soon as i thought "strange, they were both working just a while ago in Windows. Is it possible that i am so lucky"? biggrin.gif
The beauty is that it's journey of discovery! You don't see all these at once! No! You discover them through the years! That you lose CnQ past 4.4Ghz, i learnt it from a guy here that i was trying to help for example. I tested mine and he was right! I was losing it too! I hadn't noticed because i only went to 4.5Ghz once...

And now, look at what i just saw! One month ago, GIgabyte updated the USB driver list in the website and listed an...ancient driver!



V4.20 i think i never used it. It's too old. Could it be that after 2 years they noticed that something is wrong with USB? Could it be that it solves my problem too? Or is it just another game of Gigabyte, to force me to open the case, disconnect the USB3 to USB2 adapter cable, with the hope that it is fixed, only to laugh again at my face when i see that nothing changed? lachen.gif Now, generally, i am patient, but with this motherboard, i 've burnt through my patience reserves, so i don't even have the energy to try this.

Yeah, i want to deal with this company shortly and swiftly too, but i have misplaced my hammer... tongue.gif

Uhhh, yeah, Gigabyte never again. It has made me redeem Asrock.

P.S.: Did i mention that the mouse is sooooo slow in the UEFI, that it's unusable? You don't need a phD to understand that the Gigabyte programmers are a bunch of monkeys. That alone and the fugly UEFI are enough. For those who still have doubts, you can try the god awful "Gigabyte utilities", which must be the most user-unfriendly and useless pieces of software ever bundled with a motherboard.

Wauw this is one big list of distain towards Gigabyte and to be honest, i could not say it better or agree more lol.

I was that lucky once when my UD5 rev 1.1 died. It suddenly wouldn't boot and i got all kinds of weird thing going. To be fair, the rev 1.1 was my best gigabyte board which hadn't the completely and utterly useless UEFI.. Talking about UEFI, i indeed had the same mouse problem in the UEFI.. it is sooo slow that its completely useless.. I usually don't use my mouse in BIOS but if there is such an option than make it so that its actually usable..

Yeah, their website is very very slow and the drivers almost never get an update... the drivers which are listed are the same ones...
I totally agree with you on the software. I honestly never ever tried software that is so utterly useless to be honest, I mean, it couldn't even control my fans which are connected to the board for crying out loud.. the fan speeds were all over the place and start jumping up end down when i had them in quiet mode en the other settings were even worse, this annoyed me so much that i had to connect them to my fan controller again... I mean, isn't that piece of software build for fan control in the first place...? I have Al suite 3 on my Asus board now and its working very well so far to be honest. This indicates that you CAN make software that actually works so it just come down to Gigabyte being incompetent once again..

Okay, enough about this ****ty company man, I'd rather enjoy my new Asus board instead lol. I found 1 tiny thing i didn't like about this board though and that is the PCIe LED's. I have to turn them off with AURA software because when i shut down the PC the lights are still on which is rather annoying when you want to sleep lol.
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Wauw this is one big list of distain towards Gigabyte and to be honest, i could not say it better or agree more lol.

I was that lucky once when my UD5 rev 1.1 died. It suddenly wouldn't boot and i got all kinds of weird thing going. To be fair, the rev 1.1 was my best gigabyte board which hadn't the completely and utterly useless UEFI.. Talking about UEFI, i indeed had the same mouse problem in the UEFI.. it is sooo slow that its completely useless.. I usually don't use my mouse in BIOS but if there is such an option than make it so that its actually usable..

Oh, so the slow mouse affects also the high end boards. Nice!
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Yeah, their website is very very slow and the drivers almost never get an update... the drivers which are listed are the same ones...

To be honest, here there aren't any newer drivers, neither for audio nor for USB. Via simply hasn't released anything new... I am more pissed with Gigabyte about not giving a non beta BIOS and for choosing VIA in the first place.
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I totally agree with you on the software. I honestly never ever tried software that is so utterly useless to be honest, I mean, it couldn't even control my fans which are connected to the board for crying out loud.. the fan speeds were all over the place and start jumping up end down when i had them in quiet mode en the other settings were even worse, this annoyed me so much that i had to connect them to my fan controller again... I mean, isn't that piece of software build for fan control in the first place...? I have Al suite 3 on my Asus board now and its working very well so far to be honest. This indicates that you CAN make software that actually works so it just come down to Gigabyte being incompetent once again..

Even Asrock has better software than Gigabyte. Asrock AXTU (system monitor, fans etc), is actually quite nice. I only stopped using it because if it runs at background, it causes DPC latency spikes. But otherwise it's well made. XFastUSB is also good and really works if you transfer GBs to external HDD. From Gigabyte i don't install anything, ever. It's a waste of time, as i never use them.
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Okay, enough about this ****ty company man, I'd rather enjoy my new Asus board instead lol. I found 1 tiny thing i didn't like about this board though and that is the PCIe LED's. I have to turn them off with AURA software because when i shut down the PC the lights are still on which is rather annoying when you want to sleep lol.

By Xmas, i hope to remove everything and install the Biostar. Hell, i 'd even put the Asrock extreme3 back. I will keep this Gigacrap for my brother's office PC, for when time will come that i will upgrade him again (i have him on AM2+ board now, with Athlon II). I am fed up too. I am just too tired to take everything out and build from scratch with new board and learn the quirks. But by Xmas i need to do it. And i am more and more inclined to order also a new board (torn between another Biostar and the Asrock 970G3.1). Since i will stay for long with in AM3+, i may as well get yet another spare, so that i can avoid using the 2nd UD3P too. LOL!
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in my sabertooth R2.0 bios mouse movement is very very quick so i just use keys lol

asus have to be commended because they released some drivers this year for win10 R2.0, not all drivers mind you, only some

we didnt have an upgrade for asus suite though, i thought they could of released the new one R3 owners got but no....other than that i am happy

btw why biostar? (not knocking them cause ive never owned one), people ive read tend to hate on biostar
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Originally Posted by gertruude View Post

in my sabertooth R2.0 bios mouse movement is very very quick so i just use keys lol

asus have to be commended because they released some drivers this year for win10 R2.0, not all drivers mind you, only some

we didnt have an upgrade for asus suite though, i thought they could of released the new one R3 owners got but no....other than that i am happy

btw why biostar? (not knocking them cause ive never owned one), people ive read tend to hate on biostar

The mouse is too quick? Ahahahaha! They must have done this as a mockery to Gigabyte! lachen.gif

I bought the Biostar as a spare and because i had already bought 5 Asrock 970 Extreme3 and 2 Gigabyte 970 UD3P. I didn't want any more Asrocks (due to marginal VRM) and no more Gigabytes due to the BIOS. The Biostar at the time was the only motherboard with 6+1 phase plus some "modern features" (it was the wave of motherboards coming out with dedicated audio area). There was no internet review at the time (and there still isn't any!) but i was so disgusted with Gigabyte that for 72 euros, i said "hell, it's a bet i can take, worst case scenario i burn 72 euros".

As things turned out, it may prove to be my best motherboard at the end, considering that the only good thing with the UD3P, is that it's overclockable (i passed IBT at 4.5 and started stressing at 4.8 once, but aborted due to heat). But, overclockability isn't big point for me, because i don't go above 4Ghz. So suddenly, my "8+2" board with the terrible BIOS, doesn't seem too good anymore.

I only powered up the Biostar to see if it works, but one thing is for sure. The BIOS is like alien compared to Gigabyte:

http://www.overclock.net/products/biostar-ta970-plus/reviews/7112

It's also 6+1 phase (which is plenty for 4Ghz), has longer life capacitors (10.000h) than the UD3P, better audio, undervolting options for each P-State and hopefully, no bugs!!! The only downside is that the PWM is analog, but who cares really. Stilt had said that it was the best analog PWM chip of the company to that date.
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