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Ok I'll go back and look, I must of missed it.

I'll have to do it when I am home


Edit, yep 100% user error
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Originally Posted by ocyt View Post

lmao it's a 5 year old processor, since when were they ever more than $50 after 5 years? even top of the line xeons drop to those prices.
only recently has intel/AMD released rebrands with price hikes.

these are the volts that still can't get 4.1ghz, if you see my post in my sig you can see read changes i've tried and still had a failed IBT (stock ram speed, extreme LLC etc)
yes i have HPET enabled, none of the other settings in the bios have to do with the cpu, just USB, or drive settings etc..






you are attempting brute force I both nb and cpu nb, which does not work ever.

On top of too much voltage you do not understand your board. You are running 2519cpu/nb and by at 2977. You have no idea if they are definitely stable. As stated I would start over. Multi oc ONLY that said I am on mobile and can't see rig builder. So no idea oin mobo and realistic expectations.


You are pushing way way way too much nb voltage. 1.2-1.25 max. I know to much nb volts causes stability issues. But no idea what 1.4 will do long term (may of damaged it. )

Giga likes cpu pll to 2.695

No idea on ram timings. I would leave it on default until you dial in oc

Make sure you have vrm cooling
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I am on mobile and can't see rig builder. So no idea oin mobo and realistic expectations.

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How would leakage affect my Power supply situation? as in would I need a bigger power supply just to run the 9XXX as compared to the 8350, both at stock?
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Higher (lower leakage) is better, depending on cooling. Ultra-low SIDD parts are useless on LN2 as you cannot raise the voltage infinitely.

Lower voltage is only better if the actual power / current draw is also lower. And in case of high leaking semiconductors they never are.

Higher leakage ASICs require lower voltage to operate and generally have significantly better voltage scaling than ASICs with lower leakage characteristics.

The trouble is that since they consume the same or even slightly higher amounts of power as the ASICs with low leakage characteristics, the currents will be higher. The higher currents cause temperature rise not just within the ASIC itself but throughout the entire system. Higher current draw will stress the power delivery further and increase the power consumption by resulting in a lower conversion efficiency and in higher conduction losses.

On ASICs with lower leakage characteristics it is completely the other way around. They require higher voltages to operate, but draw significantly lower amounts of current and therefore run significantly cooler.

A ASIC with high leakage characteristics is only desirable when you have basically an infinite amount of cooling (i.e phase change, LN2) and power delivery capacity available and the ASIC in question has a certain Vmax you need to work with.

Usually the absolute voltage is relatively similar between the highest and the lowest leaking ASICs. Due their worse voltage scaling, the lower leaking ASICs might actually run into the Vmax barrier before reaching their Fmax.

For the normal consumers only products with low or average leakage characteristics are desirable, as it provides the best overall system efficiency and the lowest temperatures.

A chip with low leakage characteristics not only requires higher voltage to operate, but is also able to withstand higher voltage levels. A high leaking specimen meanwhile requires less voltage to operate, but also can be killed by the same voltage levels a lower leaking specimen has no issues running at 24/7.

Chips with high leakage characteristics draw significantly more current (at lower voltage), which puts significantly more strain on the VRM than the low leakage specimens do (even at higher voltage). High leakage specimens also run significantly hotter. In fact the temperature through the whole system will be somewhat higher due the higher current draw (increased losses).

Increase in temperature increases the leakage, while lowering the temperature decreases it.
At higher temperatures it is easier to generate hot spots, since the thermal conductivity of silicon decreases when the temperature increases.

In my tests I found out that the current draw of a FX CPU reduces by ~30%. when the chip is frozen from the normal operating temperatures down to ~ -160°C

FX-9590 (P0 - 4700MHz Fuse)
Median: ~1.45625V (< = high(er) leak, > =low(er) leak)
Lower leaking specimens never implemented, cannibal / recycling SKU

FX-8370E (P0 - 3300MHz Fuse)
Median: ~1.18125V (< = high(er) leak, > = low(er) leak)

FX-8320E (P0 - 3200MHz Fuse)
Median: ~1.18125V (< = high(er) leak, > = low(er) leak)

FX-8300 (P0 - 3300MHz Fuse)
Median: ~1.18125V (< = high(er) leak, > = low(er) leak)

FX-8310 (P0 - 3400MHz Fuse)
Median: ~1.18125V (< = high(er) leak, > = low(er) leak)

FX-9K series SKUs use dies with so extreme leakage characteristics, that they could never be sold as FX-8K series SKUs. Even if they are downclocked to same specifications as FX-8K series their power consumption and current draw would violate the infrastructure specifications (95 / 125W TDP). If AMD hadn´t create the 220W TDP infrastructure for AM3+, the parts now sold as FX-9K parts would have been sent to the crusher.

FX-9590 = 11.9 (avg)
FX-8370 = ~16.6 (avg)
FX-8370E = ~ 21.5 (avg)

The first FX-8350s had significantly higher leakage, around 14 on average.
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If you are willing to sell me a brand new 8 core fx for 50 bucks, call me any time.
I didn't buy a 9590.
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my NB wasn't at that voltage for a long time, just to see if i could push 4.1ghz with it, none of those settings were there for more than a boot or two.
and the NB never exceeded 55C
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the 9xx series was just a rebrand anyway, and a massive price hike after amd realized people could OC some chips so high. aren't there anti trust laws against this sort of thing?



Antitrust laws? lol! Antitrust laws were put in place to promote fair competition between companies. To keep companies with monopolies from abusing their position to hurt consumers and competitors. What does this have to do with anything? 9590's have very little in common with FX-8K cpu's.
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If you think Intel does not do that, your kidding your self
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If you think Intel does not do that, your kidding your self

Both Intel and Microsoft got nailed. Unfortunately they only got what was for them slaps on the wrist. Getting fined a few billion dollars is peanuts to what they gained by abusing their monopoly positions. Netscape was put out of business and AMD nearly ruined with illegal stunts by Microsoft and Intel.
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Both Intel and Microsoft got nailed. Unfortunately they only got what was for them were slaps on the wrist. Getting fined a few billion dollars is peanuts to what they gained by abusing their monopoly positions.

And then there is there stalling tactic.
Intel is still doing that on a 2008 case they lost and havnt paid a cent of there fine.
1.06 billion is worth less now in 2017 then it was back in 2008.
Especially when there worked out profit for the illegal bribing of OEMs was calculated to be 30 billion over that time frame and got them 80% of the market share.
Things would be a lot different now days if they hadn't done that.
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lmao it's a 5 year old processor, since when were they ever more than $50 after 5 years? even top of the line xeons drop to those prices.
only recently has intel/AMD released rebrands with price hikes.

these are the volts that still can't get 4.1ghz, if you see my post in my sig you can see read changes i've tried and still had a failed IBT (stock ram speed, extreme LLC etc)
yes i have HPET enabled, none of the other settings in the bios have to do with the cpu, just USB, or drive settings etc..






Its not the chip or either one components of your PC, its user error 100%.

I had this board and the vrm's were getting pretty toasty even at stock so i would advise you to get an additional fan blowing on the vrm's.


Clear your cmos and start over with multi oc only. No need to overclock the fsb. Your OC is failing because you use 2133 MHz ram at stock 2200 MHz CPu/NB which isn't going to work in the first place.

At 2133 MHz ram my motherboard tells me that 2200 MHz is unsupported and i need at least 2400 MHz cpu/nb.

I would suggest you to set the ram at its rated speed and timings and go look for your chip's capability's and if you find stability you can oc the memory.
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