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It's probably a good thing. I've been getting much more stable Overclocks by enabling the higher amperage settings, and increasing the CPU Power frequency to 350 (I might try it at 400 soon)
I also switched T-Probe to Extreme so it doesn't throttle at all.

Since Watt = V x A, IMO it's better to allow for higher amperage, so the voltage can stay steady (while the Amperage Requirement fluctuates), and isn't generating extra heat.
Example
- 200W = 1.6v x 125A
or
- 200W = 1.53v x 130A

I can't find any specs on what the stock limit is on amperage, and it's probably different per board. (possibly starts at the AM3 spec of 110A?)
Asus has the increase amperage setting for 130%, so 110A x 1.30 = 143A

So since every CPU is different based on leakage and quality etc. It might be possible to figure out the requirements at the point where you need a large voltage increase.
Example:
- From 4.5Ghz to 4.6Ghz needs three notches in vCore - 1.35 to 1.38
- From 4.6Ghz to 4.7Ghz needs six notches in vCore - 1.38 to 1.44
You can assume that your amperage needs have risen passed the stock setting. So 110% increase to amperage (up to 121A) you might be able to run 4.7Ghz at 1.41v

This is not to be taken as 100% accurate, but is a combination of facts that I have found, mixed with my own testing, and observations.

There was a pretty interesting post on xtremesystems done by Stilt that measured increased wattage requirements for each additional 100MHz on one of his chips. I'll look for it later but off the top of my head it went something like, from 0-3500Mhz, each additional 100MHz = 2W additional power, 3500-4500MHz = 2.5W for each additional 100MHz, and 4.5GHz+ each 100MHz increase was roughly 3W extra.

I'm not 100% sure what his method for testing was but I'm pretty sure all frequency bands were measured at the exact same voltage so you could measure the additional amperage requirements for each frequency, for that chip at least.

edit: Post is here. If you have some free time it's worth checking out all of his posts. He's done alot of testing related to Vishera power comsumption
Edited by Tempey - 1/11/13 at 8:06am
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There was a pretty interesting post on xtremesystems done by Stilt that measured increased wattage requirements for each additional 100MHz on one of his chips. I'll look for it later but off the top of my head it went something like, from 0-3500Mhz, each additional 100MHz = 2W additional power, 3500-4500MHz = 2.5W for each additional 100MHz, and 4.5GHz+ each 100MHz increase was roughly 3W extra.

I'm not 100% sure what his method for testing was but I'm pretty sure all frequency bands were measured at the exact same voltage so you could measure the additional amperage requirements for each frequency, for that chip at least.

edit: Post is here. If you have some free time it's worth checking out all of his posts. He's done alot of testing related to Vishera power comsumption

Yes it looks like his numbers are pretty much exactly on.
So basically 1.325v @ 4.5Ghz will be the limit of 110A when Stress Testing. So if your CPU has a higher stock voltage (Turbo Disabled) then you will have to increase the Amperage Settings earlier. At least higher VID CPU's tend to run cooler, so it's a good trade off.

Edited: If your CPU has a higher stock voltage then you wont have to increase your Current Setting as much as a low VID CPU.
125Watts at VID of 1.28v = 97.65A (Higher Temps, more vCore Range)
125Watt at VID of 1.4v = 89A (Lower Temps, requires higher voltage to CPU)
Edited by ComputerRestore - 1/11/13 at 12:36pm
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Yes it looks like his numbers are pretty much exactly on.
So basically 1.325v @ 4.5Ghz will be the limit of 110A when Stress Testing. So if your CPU has a higher stock voltage (Turbo Disabled) then you will have to increase the Amperage Settings earlier. But, higher VID CPU's tend to run cooler, so it's a good trade off.

wow this is starting to make sense of why I have to boost my voltages higher to get over the 5 barrier... but i am running cooler so i think all of this is on point thumb.gif

I do have a Higher VID of 1.37 batch 1237 this information will help me lower my voltages. then im going to play more with the different phases to get a well rounded OC.. and im hoping I can get my ram to 2300
Edited by F3ERS 2 ASH3S - 1/11/13 at 9:58am
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Hi guys iam very new to this forum and i own a FX-8350 so here's what i've managed to do so far.



Last version of IBT and 10min of prime Small FFTs

VCORE 1.4375v LLC @ Ultra High
VCPU/NB 1.475v LLC @ High
VNB 1.2v
VDRAM is 1.65v bios but its actually running at 1.68v dont know why

*Edit, i forgot VNBHT 1.25v
Edited by Trafnovich - 1/11/13 at 11:15am
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wow this is starting to make sense of why I have to boost my voltages higher to get over the 5 barrier... but i am running cooler so i think all of this is on point thumb.gif

I do have a Higher VID of 1.37 batch 1237 this information will help me lower my voltages. then im going to play more with the different phases to get a well rounded OC.. and im hoping I can get my ram to 2300

I'll do your base VID as an example, to see if it matches up. (as this is mostly theory)
Most of the FX 8350's are able to reach 4.5Ghz using just their base VID on Ultra High LLC so that will be the example.
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125W Under Full Stress Test (+15%) = 143W @ 1.37v - running 4.0Ghz
143W = 1.37v x 104A
So with every 100Mhz between 4.0-4.5Ghz = 2.5W -- 4.5Ghz @ 1.37v = 155.5W
155.5W = 1.37v x 113.5A
So without increasing Current Range
155.5W = 1.412v x 110A
So with your high VID, to run 4.5Ghz at the stock voltage (most likely Ultra High LLC) you would need to bump the CPU Current to 110%
I was bored so I thought I'd go a little further with some of the info given by The Stilt on extremesystems.org
(Same example using F3's CPU)

So given the average of 3 ticks of 0.0125v for every 100Mhz increase, it's a rough estimate that for every 100Mhz, is an increase of 12Watts
So from 4.5Ghz to 5.0Ghz (0.1875v increase - Total: 1.5575v)(60Watt Increase - Total 215.5)
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Edited for Bad Math - Guess that's why you should always show your work.
Here is the recommended settings for 5.0Ghz
5.0Ghz @ 1.5575v, 215.5W, 138A Full Load - Will need the 130% Current Increase.
So @ 1.5575v on Ultra High LLC, if you can contain the temps, you should be ok.

Edited by ComputerRestore - 1/11/13 at 1:27pm
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My sammys will do 2400, but I have to use 1.5v+ with 11-11-11-28 2T timings.

My G Skill Trident 1866 dram with XMP of 8-9-9-24 does 2400mhz with timings of 10-11-11-31 no problems.. Its better than the so-called Samsung Wonder ram.

Said WonderRAM also costs only $40.

Your Kit cost $124.

'nuff said.
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what is the default CPU voltage frequency on a Crosshair V? I have ultra LLC setting and 310 Feb and 15 multiplier. Any recommended setting for CPU voltage frequency. Right now 2400 nb-cpu frequency 2400 dram frequency and 2400 HT-Link frequency. CPU voltage 1.443 v.

Default cpu volt%e is not determined by the motherboard to my knowledge. I believe its factory settings of your chip that determine that. Because you can have 2 of the exact same chip but they will both has different default voltages.

Typos aside, yes, that is how it works. The default VID also hints at what kind of overclocker it will be.
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I personally don't consider my system stable after before a week of Crysis / OpenGL/ Heaven bench/Folding activity. IBT is just an appetizer to me.

edited cause I can't write o.o

Lol, you're having a bad day aren't ya. tongue.gif
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yes mobo i think as i cant put 1.6 in bios as it says voltage over current kicks in lol. or something like that
i have to stick 1.6 and over in via asus suite biggrin.gif

unless anyone knows of a settng in bios i can disable to avoid this thumb.gif

It's probably a good thing. I've been getting much more stable Overclocks by enabling the higher amperage settings, and increasing the CPU Power frequency to 350 (I might try it at 400 soon)
I also switched T-Probe to Extreme so it doesn't throttle at all.

Since Watt = V x A, IMO it's better to allow for higher amperage, so the voltage can stay steady (while the Amperage Requirement fluctuates), and isn't generating extra heat.
Quote:
Wiki: The AM3+ Socket offers improved power regulation and power quality specifications, including an increased maximum current support of 145 A versus 110 A
Example
- 200W = 1.6v x 125A
or
- 200W = 1.53v x 130A

I can't find any specs on what the stock limit is on amperage, and it's probably different per board. (possibly starts at the AM3 spec of 110A?)
Asus has the increase amperage setting for 130%, so 110A x 1.30 = 143A - coincidence?

So since every CPU is different based on leakage and quality etc. It might be possible to figure out the requirements at the point where you need a large voltage increase.
Example:
- From 4.5Ghz to 4.6Ghz needs three notches in vCore - 1.35 to 1.38
- From 4.6Ghz to 4.7Ghz needs six notches in vCore - 1.38 to 1.44
You can assume that your amperage needs have risen passed the stock setting. So 110% increase to amperage (up to 121A) you might be able to run 4.7Ghz at 1.41v

This is not to be taken as 100% accurate, but is a combination of facts that I have found, mixed with my own testing, and observations.

Interesting testing would be if someone with a Kill'a'Watt could measure the Watts at idle and Prime Load at a few different Overclocks (4.2-4.8)
Then you could take the difference in Watts (idle/load) and divide the vCore. When graphed it will show if there is a linear increase in Amperage requirements per Overclocked. So you could estimate how far you could push your CPU, within your personal limits.

Interesting. That sort of information would be good for the data collection thread as well.
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I'll do your base VID as an example, to see if it matches up. (as this is mostly theory)
Most of the FX 8350's are able to reach 4.5Ghz using just their base VID on Ultra High LLC so that will be the example.
So with your high VID, to run 4.5Ghz at the stock voltage (most likely Ultra High LLC) you would need to bump the CPU Current to 110%
I was bored so I thought I'd go a little further with some of the info given by The Stilt on extremesystems.org
(Same example using F3's CPU)

So given the average of 3 ticks of 0.0125v for every 100Mhz increase, it's a rough estimate that for every 100Mhz, is an increase of 12Watts
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Here is the recommended settings for 5.0Ghz
5.0Ghz @ 1.4325, 213W, 148A Full Load Over the 145A Max
So to put it within limits
5.0Ghz @ 213W = 1.47v x 145A (Stress Load)Doesn't account for loss due to temps
So I wonder if you could set 1.4325 with Extreme LLC to make it stable (it would boost to 1.47+). Or if it would even be ok at that 145A Limit.
Guess that's why they added that 140% Current option thumb.gif

im going to play around a little when I get the chance but this is the stuff that I was talking about when I was saying about playing with the Phases.. its seems (and what I have messed around with) is that they do infact help this is making complete sense.. as you had stated before it may not be voltage holding things back but amps I do have 5.06 stable at 1.48v with extreme LLC that bumps it close to 1.6v underload stress testing. I do think that I have changed the power frequency but have it at 350 or so because i was slightly worried about my VRM's overheating guess this will be more or less the fine tuning that will target everything in.

and if everything said turns to pan things out.. I wonder what the implactions it will do with RAM as they seem to be more volitile and sensative
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I'm thoroughly interested in this. Have you seen a difference in stability/temps? Have you considered having a custom waterblock made to affix to a small loop?
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Hey everyone, Ive been kinda quiet on OCN regarding posts but I would like to thank those of you who helped me get my overclock on this thread its been fun, as well as some inspiration!. Here are some pictures of my rig. Let me know if you want more pictures or have questions on my build or my modding. Water cooling Radiators are 1 XSPC 280 rad and 1 Swiftech 120 rad. Both I had to mod to fit so its a squeeze, but max 56c under load at 1.525v smile.gif Also check out my rig profile if so desired! to see components, although pics are not updated. Sorry for bad picture quality all I had was my webcam. thumb.gif
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