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I have been reading a little in the extreme systems forum.

From what Stilt said concerning Vishera:

Achieving 24/7 stability at 5.0GHz+ is not matter of how good your chip is, let alone the batch code of the CPU.
Each and every single one Vishera CPU ever manufactured will reach 5.0GHz 24/7... with sufficient cooling.

The term sufficient varies. It is anything between 10C liquid to LN2.

Only one thing is certain: 24/7 stable 5.0GHz or higher cannot currently be done on normal air or watercooling.
Because of heat <=> power consumption (motherboard).





yet there are many in here claiming stable oc's @5ghz. Kinda makes me wonder what is considered stable or if 5ghz stable is even possible. yet on the very 1st page of this thread here there are many listed 24/7 as stable in the list. . Sure I can up to 5ghz, it boots into OS and will run, but will never pass any reasonable stability test of 24 hours let alone 7 days. I think there needs to be some baseline to consider 24/7 stable. Either that or the information from the other place is wrong by the other person.

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Check the data collection thread, read what F3ERS, myself, Red and cssorkinman had to do, what we went through, how long we've used it, and what we've done. We've been running these chips for months. We know exactly what we can do and how stable we are.

Don't just walk into a room full of people who use 5Ghz 24/7 never shutting down and say we're all wrong. Especially not with something as vague as "well, can it stress for a week!?!". Even if we wasted a full week testing, you'd just claim "can it stress for a month!?!". At what point do you back off and admit we're stable?

Stable is subjective. To me, stable means doing everything I do normally and never crashing. This includes gaming, recording, encoding ripping DVDs, rendering, benchmarking, browsing and all the other stuff I do without ever shutting down the computer unless I want to tweak the hardware or BIOS. I will not waste a week of my time running a pointless test when my system will show instability all on it's own. I'll do a quick IBT run to test temps or something, but that's about it. Considering I've been running 5Ghz for over a month with no crashes, are you going to tell me I'm wrong?
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I guess I was stable then @5ghz back on 11/24/12 then. Sorry I ever brought anything up then.
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Originally Posted by MistrEd View Post

I have been reading a little in the extreme systems forum.

From what Stilt said concerning Vishera:

Achieving 24/7 stability at 5.0GHz+ is not matter of how good your chip is, let alone the batch code of the CPU.
Each and every single one Vishera CPU ever manufactured will reach 5.0GHz 24/7... with sufficient cooling.

The term sufficient varies. It is anything between 10C liquid to LN2.

Only one thing is certain: 24/7 stable 5.0GHz or higher cannot currently be done on normal air or watercooling.
Because of heat <=> power consumption (motherboard).




yet there are many in here claiming stable oc's @5ghz. Kinda makes me wonder what is considered stable or if 5ghz stable is even possible. yet on the very 1st page of this thread here there are many listed 24/7 as stable in the list. . Sure I can up to 5ghz, it boots into OS and will run, but will never pass any reasonable stability test of 24 hours let alone 7 days. I think there needs to be some baseline to consider 24/7 stable. Either that or the information from the other place is wrong by the other person.
I really do think that all you need is better cooling and you would have a good chance of running 5 ghz. I see that you have a very good chip, motherboard and powersupply, but the weak point is your cooler. There is a tremendous difference in heat load on these chips between idle and 100% usage on all cores, cooling these 8 core cpu's at about 4.5 or 4.6 ghz is the limit of air cooling.
If you seek 5 ghz you will need an h-100 at the very least.
If you lived a little closer, I'd bring my thermaltake 2.0 extreme over and I'm betting we could get you stable at 5ghz smile.gif
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Temps are not a issue at 4.6ghz I am only at around 49c core temp at 100% full load. I had a H100 I got rid of it.
Edited by MistrEd - 1/11/13 at 8:35pm
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Temps are not a issue at 4.6ghz I am only only at around 49c core temp at 100% full load. I had a H100 I got rid of it.
I guess I thought we were talking about 5 ghz , which is a totally different ballgame than 4.6.
I'm almost certain temps would be an issue if you were stress testing @ 5 ghz with any air cooler. There is a huge difference between the voltages needed to run 4.6 and 5 ghz.
In the case of my chip, it can run 100% on all 8 cores at 4.6 ghz on 1.41 volts at load. In order to run 5 ghz it requires 1.536 volts at load to be stable. That = a lot of extra heat.
I can run ibt at 5 ghz, setting it at 1.6 volts with a loaded voltage of 1.53 volts and temps will be around 49 C after about 20 passes or so and pretty much stay there.
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Check the data collection thread, read what F3ERS, myself, Red and cssorkinman had to do, what we went through, how long we've used it, and what we've done. We've been running these chips for months. We know exactly what we can do and how stable we are.

Don't just walk into a room full of people who use 5Ghz 24/7 never shutting down and say we're all wrong. Especially not with something as vague as "well, can it stress for a week!?!". Even if we wasted a full week testing, you'd just claim "can it stress for a month!?!". At what point do you back off and admit we're stable?

Stable is subjective. To me, stable means doing everything I do normally and never crashing. This includes gaming, recording, encoding ripping DVDs, rendering, benchmarking, browsing and all the other stuff I do without ever shutting down the computer unless I want to tweak the hardware or BIOS. I will not waste a week of my time running a pointless test when my system will show instability all on it's own. I'll do a quick IBT run to test temps or something, but that's about it. Considering I've been running 5Ghz for over a month with no crashes, are you going to tell me I'm wrong?


Stongly agreed this is a laugh riot of a comment for him to have made biggrin.gif
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I really do think that all you need is better cooling and you would have a good chance of running 5 ghz. I see that you have a very good chip, motherboard and powersupply, but the weak point is your cooler. There is a tremendous difference in heat load on these chips between idle and 100% usage on all cores, cooling these 8 core cpu's at about 4.5 or 4.6 ghz is the limit of air cooling.
If you seek 5 ghz you will need an h-100 at the very least.
If you lived a little closer, I'd bring my thermaltake 2.0 extreme over and I'm betting we could get you stable at 5ghz smile.gif

Agreed.. the H100 that he said he got rid of would have done the trick... theres proof in this thread for that thumb.gif
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Temps are not a issue at 4.6ghz I am only at around 49c core temp at 100% full load. I had a H100 I got rid of it.

sad you could have figured how to clock these babies right and not jump to conclusions I had issues with a board and I have proven that was the case I couldn't get higher than 4.5 switch to a saber and got 4.7 stable but had thermal issues switched to a custom loop and hit 5.06 passing IBT very high settings AVX slightly on the toasty side but with video encoding I only use 80% of the processor anyway so im within my thermal limits for day to day.. besides I got this clock mainly fo gaming as I have saved around $200 with AMD than buying an intel board and chip.... and I now have the same power as a stock i7 3770 hmmmmmmm
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I guess I look at it as being able to pass stability testing at 5 ghz for a reasonable amount of time. This should suggest that it will be stable for normal use at 5ghz daily.

thumb.gif duh cause who buys there computer spends 1200 on a tower just to benchmark it effin stupid
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Hi all,
I'm new to the FX 8350. I've upgraded from my faithful 965BE. I'm a bit confused about Core Temp and its dislike for FX chips.
Should I ignore it at idle, and trust it under load? As it is I've adjusted the offset by 9*C so my core temp reads the same as my bios. If core temp is accurate at load on the FX chips my temps at load would be reading 9*C too high, which when over clocking can make a big difference between trying to push it a bit more, or backing off. Forgive me if this has been addressed. I haven't been able to find an answer. also if anyone has advice on a temp monitor program that works better with these chips I'd appreciate it.

now with all BS aside core temp is the temp you want to look at. socket temp is what displays in BIOS and these chips do rounding and get more accurate at higher temps.. I have seen my chip say 15c and I know i like my place toasty so thats no where near accurate however I trust when it says 60 because of the other temps around in my case.. realative way of thinking but it works if you could give us a screenshot of the temps you are looking at we can guide you in the right direction.

Side note.. the Significant other boosted our thermostat.. gotta say slightly made my stuff unstable.. boy these chips don't like heat.. and that is on point with general talk in all of this.. there is a limit that the ambient needs to be in order to hit 5.0 stable.. but that should be obvious
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I guess I thought we were talking about 5 ghz , which is a totally different ballgame than 4.6.
I'm almost certain temps would be an issue if you were stress testing @ 5 ghz with any air cooler. There is a huge difference between the voltages needed to run 4.6 and 5 ghz.
In the case of my chip, it can run 100% on all 8 cores at 4.6 ghz on 1.41 volts at load. In order to run 5 ghz it requires 1.536 volts at load to be stable. That = a lot of extra heat.
I can run ibt at 5 ghz, setting it at 1.6 volts with a loaded voltage of 1.53 volts and temps will be around 49 C after about 20 passes or so and pretty much stay there.


I see what you are saying. Trust me by no means am I trying to start some kind of argument or anything in here. That is not my nature. Maybe I am old school, but back in the day when I first got into building my own systems 15 years ago, there were some forums that would not even let you post a score to a list without a minimum guideline. Some were at minimum 12 hours , some were 24 hours minimum of a baseline stress test. Some required multiple tests with actual proof. Like I said, my system will boot into OS @5ghz and can be used for everyday use, without ever shutting it off. I would not consider that stable at all, until tested to a certain degree. I am not here to start anything. I have been building computers for 15 years. Not one system will ever leave my house without a minimum guideline stress test and pass it.
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I see what you are saying. Trust me by no means am I trying to start some kind of argument or anything in here. That is not my nature. Maybe I am old school, but back in the day when I first got into building my own systems 15 years ago, there were some forums that would not even let you post a score to a list without a minimum guideline. Some were at minimum 12 hours , some were 24 hours minimum of a baseline stress test. Some required multiple tests with actual proof. Like I said, my system will boot into OS @5ghz and can be used for everyday use, without ever shutting it off. I would not consider that stable at all, until tested to a certain degree. I am not here to start anything. I have been building computers for 15 years. Not one system will ever leave my house without a minimum guideline stress test and pass it.

we had that but the OP had left and went to an intel rig and let this thread do its thing.. thats why a lot of it has been updated in a wile on the first page.. we are at a general understanding of stressing with IBT @20-50 passes very high and OCCT then you are pretty much good to go.. we have found issues with p95 and that is an ongoing discussion..

you are correct I guess you could call it informaly formal like our unofficial official data collection thread.

side note drop ambient 2 degress running stable again.. I think I hit my limit on temps with my cooling/airflow for now darn texas and the fake winter I miss Idaho where it stand around -7F this time of year

i can't say my setup is 100% stable right now I still need to drop voltages and check instabilities as they come. but im 95% there and it doesn't crash when I do my daily tasks

by the way until I looked at your rig i didn't even know that there was a new BIOS out Im still running on 1201
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we had that but the OP had left and went to an intel rig and let this thread do its thing.. thats why a lot of it has been updated in a wile on the first page.. we are at a general understanding of stressing with IBT @20-50 passes very high and OCCT then you are pretty much good to go.. we have found issues with p95 and that is an ongoing discussion..

you are correct I guess you could call it informaly formal like our unofficial official data collection thread.

side note drop ambient 2 degress running stable again.. I think I hit my limit on temps with my cooling/airflow for now darn texas and the fake winter I miss Idaho where it stand around -7F this time of year

i can't say my setup is 100% stable right now I still need to drop voltages and check instabilities as they come. but im 95% there and it doesn't crash when I do my daily tasks

by the way until I looked at your rig i didn't even know that there was a new BIOS out Im still running on 1201

I know what you mean about the fake winters. I live about 10 miles from Chicago and right now it is 50f outside at this moment and we may of had 4 inches of snow so far since the start of winter. Watch with the bios change. It threw me off some after I upgraded it. Changed my fine tuning settings up some.
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I know what you mean about the fake winters. I live about 10 miles from Chicago and right now it is 50f outside at this moment and we may of had 4 inches of snow so far since the start of winter. Watch with the bios change. It threw me off some after I upgraded it. Changed my fine tuning settings up some.

meh ill probably keep the this BIOS until I see otherwise.. seems to be working well for me at the moment there will be another one anyway and ill probably catch that one. ha snow I haven't seen snow in the past 3 years being in houston so depressing
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Samsung 830 SSD 128GB LG BD-ROM/DVD Rewriter XSPC Raystorm RS240 kit A LOT OF FANS 
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WIN 7 ultamate AOC 23" LED LCD Microsoft wireless laser 6000 Rosewill Capstone 750w 
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Coolermaster HAF 912 Microsoft wireless laser 6000 none 
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phenom II x6 1100T MSI 990FXA-GD65 GTX 460 GTX 460 
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Crucial Ballistix Tactical Tracer 8GB (2 x 4GB)... Samsung SSD 830  LG Blueray Coolermaster N520 
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