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Hello everyone! Newbie here. Just got my FX-8350 today smile.gif

I have an issue though. I got everything installed and running, and the first thing I did was Prime95 it to check my stability and load temps. It's currently still at stock speeds and all BIOS settings are default. Within 1 minute, core 6 got a "Fatal Error: Rounding was 0.5, expected less than 0.4", and about 30 seconds after that core 8 got "Illegal Sumout" frown.gif I let the test run for another few minutes and the other 6 cores stayed stable for the rest of the 5 minute run.

Here's what I'm getting from HWMonitor:
CPU VCore: 0.912v - 1.432v
CPU Temps: 34c - 60c (stock cooler)

CPU-Z shows me running at around 4.1 GHz fairly consistently. It doesn't seem to drop below that, but it fluctuates (probably turbo boost) up to around 4115 or so, haven't seen it go higher.

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Any ideas why I can't even keep it stable for 2 minutes with everything stock? Did I get a chip with bad cores? Thanks for any tips!
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Originally Posted by Clowerweb View Post

Hello everyone! Newbie here. Just got my FX-8350 today smile.gif

I have an issue though. I got everything installed and running, and the first thing I did was Prime95 it to check my stability and load temps. It's currently still at stock speeds and all BIOS settings are default. Within 1 minute, core 6 got a "Fatal Error: Rounding was 0.5, expected less than 0.4", and about 30 seconds after that core 8 got "Illegal Sumout" frown.gif I let the test run for another few minutes and the other 6 cores stayed stable for the rest of the 5 minute run.

Here's what I'm getting from HWMonitor:
CPU VCore: 0.912v - 1.432v
CPU Temps: 34c - 60c (stock cooler)

CPU-Z shows me running at around 4.1 GHz fairly consistently. It doesn't seem to drop below that, but it fluctuates (probably turbo boost) up to around 4115 or so, haven't seen it go higher.

Here's my setup:
FX-8350, stock fan, stock settings
ASRock 970DE3/U3S3 (770 chipset, SB700 south bridge), BIOS version 1.6 (current version, I flashed it immediately)
G.Skill Ripjaws DDr3 1066 CL7, 8GB (2x4 GB) dual channel, stock everything on that too

Any ideas why I can't even keep it stable for 2 minutes with everything stock? Did I get a chip with bad cores? Thanks for any tips!

Ya, Prime does that on Piledriver a lot. Try IntelBurnTest and OCCT.

VCore makes sense for C'n'Q and Turbo.

Temps make sense for stock cooling.

4.1Ghz would be all-core turbo, which is normal. The extra 15Mhz is the bus fluctuating, nothing to worry about.

All in all, the system is normal. I would very much advise not trying to go for a large overclock on that board due to the lack of VRM cooling in general, assuming you want to try it. There's a place you can get coolers for them normally, but it looks like they decided to put in the chips staggered for some reason, so it wouldn't work.

Try IBT for 50 rounds (set it to run 50 times instead of 10) and OCCT, see if they say you're unstable. If they both pass, then feel free to ignore Prime. If they don't, it may be time to RMA.
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Because you didn't even read what he had before you assumed he was having the same problem you did is a good start for how it went down hill quickly. And yes, given the data, besides a bad batch or two, everyone should be capable of 5Ghz. Almost everyone who doesn't is limited by the cooling or is unwilling to put in more volts then they feel comfortable with (which is good, never do more then you feel is ok), as seen in the data collection thread if you look at cooling and voltages. Very very few people put in 1.5 to 1.525v and don't get 5Ghz out of it. Those who don't, get 4.8, and are usually on a H80/100 or Antec 920.

It's isn't that putting on a fan is the end of the world, it's that you said they need a fan. That is false. There is a very fine line between spreading false information ("They need a fan.") and helping someone get temps more in line ("You could try putting a fan over the VRMs to help lower temps"). It's very important to avoid the first option.

The need for the fan depends on airflow. I'm running open air and I got pretty much instant throttling due to VRM temps on my CVF because I had no fans anywhere pushing air near the mobo (I normally run my mobo, the RIVE, watercooled). Added a single 120mm fan over the VRM area and bam, no throttling at all anymore.
 
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Because you didn't even read what he had before you assumed he was having the same problem you did is a good start for how it went down hill quickly. And yes, given the data, besides a bad batch or two, everyone should be capable of 5Ghz. Almost everyone who doesn't is limited by the cooling or is unwilling to put in more volts then they feel comfortable with (which is good, never do more then you feel is ok), as seen in the data collection thread if you look at cooling and voltages. Very very few people put in 1.5 to 1.525v and don't get 5Ghz out of it. Those who don't, get 4.8, and are usually on a H80/100 or Antec 920.

It's isn't that putting on a fan is the end of the world, it's that you said they need a fan. That is false. There is a very fine line between spreading false information ("They need a fan.") and helping someone get temps more in line ("You could try putting a fan over the VRMs to help lower temps"). It's very important to avoid the first option.

I had already acknowledged that i commented before looking at his actual temps, my point still stands about the 5ghz as all i was trying to say is that everyone's chip is different. If you continue to nit-pick through every little thing i say you definitely will find inconsistencies as i tend to speak on a more general term than specific. Which is a fault of mine and i am trying to work on that. But it is a little frustrating when the person nitpicking me is being a hypocrite "You do not need a spot fan at all on the 990FXA-UD3." You could have tried "Most of the time a spot fan isn't nescessary". "It's very important to avoid the first option".
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Because you didn't even read what he had before you assumed he was having the same problem you did is a good start for how it went down hill quickly. And yes, given the data, besides a bad batch or two, everyone should be capable of 5Ghz. Almost everyone who doesn't is limited by the cooling or is unwilling to put in more volts then they feel comfortable with (which is good, never do more then you feel is ok), as seen in the data collection thread if you look at cooling and voltages. Very very few people put in 1.5 to 1.525v and don't get 5Ghz out of it. Those who don't, get 4.8, and are usually on a H80/100 or Antec 920.

It's isn't that putting on a fan is the end of the world, it's that you said they need a fan. That is false. There is a very fine line between spreading false information ("They need a fan.") and helping someone get temps more in line ("You could try putting a fan over the VRMs to help lower temps"). It's very important to avoid the first option.

I had already acknowledged that i commented before looking at his actual temps, my point still stands about the 5ghz as all i was trying to say is that everyone's chip is different. If you continue to nit-pick through every little thing i say you definitely will find inconsistencies as i tend to speak on a more general term than specific. Which is a fault of mine and i am trying to work on that. But it is a little frustrating when the person nitpicking me is being a hypocrite "You do not need a spot fan at all on the 990FXA-UD3." You could have tried "Most of the time a spot fan isn't nescessary". "It's very important to avoid the first option".

Not trying to attack you with the first bit, just an acknowledgement of why it turned into what it did (plus of course, my own reaction). Nothing more, I am well aware that you said that already, and that is the only reason I even added it as I would rather assume someone has read then not.

While I will say touché for calling me out, I am still correct. You do not need a fan there. It is optional. It will help, always, anything that generates heat can benefit from something that removes it. But it is not necessary, as was said. If it was necessary, Gigabyte would have included one (or more likely, just made the heat sink bigger)
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Try IBT for 50 rounds (set it to run 50 times instead of 10) and OCCT, see if they say you're unstable. If they both pass, then feel free to ignore Prime. If they don't, it may be time to RMA.

Thanks for the advice! The OCCT test failed within 5 minutes and 37 seconds. frown.gif
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Not trying to attack you with the first bit, just an acknowledgement of why it turned into what it did (plus of course, my own reaction). Nothing more, I am well aware that you said that already, and that is the only reason I even added it as I would rather assume someone has read then not.

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I'm sorry for flipping out, it was un-warranted. I am also inclined to agree with everything you just said.
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Not trying to attack you with the first bit, just an acknowledgement of why it turned into what it did (plus of course, my own reaction). Nothing more, I am well aware that you said that already, and that is the only reason I even added it as I would rather assume someone has read then not.

While I will say touché for calling me out, I am still correct. You do not need a fan there. It is optional. It will help, always, anything that generates heat can benefit from something that removes it. But it is not necessary, as was said. If it was necessary, Gigabyte would have included one (or more likely, just made the heat sink bigger)

I'm sorry for flipping out, it was un-warranted. I am also inclined to agree with everything you just said.

Apology accepted, and sorry to yourself as well, I'm a "tad" hard on people sometimes.

And that's unfortunate to hear Clowerweb. Does it still fail if you disable Turbo in BIOS?
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Well, unfortunately it's looking like an RMA might be in order frown.gif

I've tried everything. Took out the RAM and reseated, ran Memtest86+ to make sure it wasn't that. Ran for an hour with no errors found there. Went into the BIOS and disabled AMD Turbo Core and Cool 'n Quiet, and also noticed while I was in there that the BIOS appeared to have my memory incorrectly over volted @ 1.6v (manufacturer says it's supposed to be at 1.5v stock), so I adjusted that just to be safe. Booted back in and got another Sumout error on core 6 in P95 within 5 minutes, OCCT errored on core 0 within 3 minutes.

Interestingly, OCCT reported min/max CPU frequencies at 3145/4510 with Turbo and CnC off. Seems a bit odd... it jumped between 3.15 and 4.5 GHz? Voltage is a little more consistent now @ 1.26/1.38. Any thoughts?
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Well, unfortunately it's looking like an RMA might be in order frown.gif

I've tried everything. Took out the RAM and reseated, ran Memtest86+ to make sure it wasn't that. Ran for an hour with no errors found there. Went into the BIOS and disabled AMD Turbo Core and Cool 'n Quiet, and also noticed while I was in there that the BIOS appeared to have my memory incorrectly over volted @ 1.6v (manufacturer says it's supposed to be at 1.5v stock), so I adjusted that just to be safe. Booted back in and got another Sumout error on core 6 in P95 within 5 minutes, OCCT errored on core 0 within 3 minutes.

Interestingly, OCCT reported min/max CPU frequencies at 3145/4510 with Turbo and CnC off. Seems a bit odd... it jumped between 3.15 and 4.5 GHz? Voltage is a little more consistent now @ 1.26/1.38. Any thoughts?

1.38 sounds right for stock VID, but 1.26 sounds like vdroop since C'n'Q is off.

In BIOS you should have some LLC settings. Try setting it to 25% or 0% (I think that's ASRock's terms for Very high/Extreme...). Also, there should be something called APM (application profile management or something). This is a feature that will throttle CPUs at certain temps, but it's based on Socket temp, not Core temp. (Core temp is the important one, and it's lower). Since you're running stock, try turning that off, but watch temps carefully and kill the test if it goes past 62-65C on the core temp for longer then a few seconds. No need to fry a chip you might be returning.

To make sure it isn't a power saving feature, disable the C-state settings as well. You can re-enable them later, but we want to make sure the voltage/freq drop has nothing to do with power saving. Keep in mind this will keep your CPU (or should anyway) at 4Ghz constant, and your idle temps will go up. Load should stay around the same.
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