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You got a pretty decent chip there actually.1.536 for passing avx IBT is very good

Though the results -1 etc etc point to it not being stable at that voltage. Im amazed it passed

Going to add a lil bit more voltage to test tonight again and will do some gaming
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Hi,

Don't know if you've solved this in any way, but I can tell you this: from what I've seen on my setup, anything that has AMD APM enabled (makes the speed throttle down when a certain TDP is exceeded) will cause P95 to throw errors and even IBT to fail. So if I have an OC that's stable at a certain voltage and then I turn APM on and try to stress it then it fails. This also happens with everything on STOCK, no overclock, because APM is on by default, it is needed for Turbo mode to work as far as I know.

So, if you still have the config, try disabling APM (AMD Application power management) in BIOS and then re-test. Maybe it helps.

Cheers!

I haven't resolved it yet. I'm about 80% convinced it's a motherboard incompatibility with the proc, but the other 20% of me thinks it's either the memory, the CPU, the BIOS settings, or out of date/incorrect drivers. I'm downloading and installing driver updates now, but if that doesn't work I'll post a picture of my BIOS settings and see if you guys can see anything wrong. I'm starting to get BSODs when running OCCT or P95 after following some suggested BIOS tweaks (I probably did it wrong), but temps are still stable and cool, so it's not heat. I did OC the memory up to 1333 from 1066 though, with voltage set to 1.55v, not sure if that's causing the BSODs or not. Someone also mentioned I might want to up the voltage a little on the NB, which I haven't tried yet (have no clue what to set it to, and there are two NB voltage settings (NB and CPU NB), which is weird). Someone also suggested cranking up the LLC, but I can't find it in there anywhere, so maybe I don't have it (?).
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I haven't resolved it yet. I'm about 80% convinced it's a motherboard incompatibility with the proc, but the other 20% of me thinks it's either the memory, the CPU, the BIOS settings, or out of date/incorrect drivers. I'm downloading and installing driver updates now, but if that doesn't work I'll post a picture of my BIOS settings and see if you guys can see anything wrong. I'm starting to get BSODs when running OCCT or P95 after following some suggested BIOS tweaks (I probably did it wrong), but temps are still stable and cool, so it's not heat. I did OC the memory up to 1333 from 1066 though, with voltage set to 1.55v, not sure if that's causing the BSODs or not. Someone also mentioned I might want to up the voltage a little on the NB, which I haven't tried yet (have no clue what to set it to, and there are two NB voltage settings (NB and CPU NB), which is weird). Someone also suggested cranking up the LLC, but I can't find it in there anywhere, so maybe I don't have it (?).

It's possible that you don't have LLC, not all boards have it. What I'd do if I was you is try to get it running with everything at stock and see if you get any crashes / instability then. The memory is quite a bottleneck there, but if it's rated at 1066 then that's where I would start. Stock timings and speed on the RAM, set everything to default, disable turbo and APM as I've noticed that messing with the stress tests and try stressing it a bit like that. Your main target should be getting everything stable at stock, then you can try OCing the RAM to 1333, add some voltage (don't go over 1.65v would be my advice, if the modules are rated at 1.5v then 1.55v/1.6v should be ok). Increasing CPU NB voltage may also help with stabilizing the RAM OC.

You're looking at CPU NB settings, which is actually the memory controller integrated in the CPU. The other NB is part of the motherboard and I don't think you should change anything with that.

Try RAM at stock 1066 and stock volts, CPU at 4000 with turbo and APM disabled, all voltages on stock. See if that's stable.
Your board DOES support 140w CPUs, but not FX chips above 95w. It supports 140w Phenom IIs. I wouldn't overclock the CPU at all on that board, nor would I increase the voltage. If any, I'd try to see if I can get it to run at 4GHz with a bit of undervolting.
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Can I join the club?

Also, I think this would be my limit for temps right?
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It's possible that you don't have LLC, not all boards have it. What I'd do if I was you is try to get it running with everything at stock and see if you get any crashes / instability then. The memory is quite a bottleneck there, but if it's rated at 1066 then that's where I would start. Stock timings and speed on the RAM, set everything to default, disable turbo and APM as I've noticed that messing with the stress tests and try stressing it a bit like that. Your main target should be getting everything stable at stock, then you can try OCing the RAM to 1333, add some voltage (don't go over 1.65v would be my advice, if the modules are rated at 1.5v then 1.55v/1.6v should be ok). Increasing CPU NB voltage may also help with stabilizing the RAM OC.

You're looking at CPU NB settings, which is actually the memory controller integrated in the CPU. The other NB is part of the motherboard and I don't think you should change anything with that.

Try RAM at stock 1066 and stock volts, CPU at 4000 with turbo and APM disabled, all voltages on stock. See if that's stable.
Your board DOES support 140w CPUs, but not FX chips above 95w. It supports 140w Phenom IIs. I wouldn't overclock the CPU at all on that board, nor would I increase the voltage. If any, I'd try to see if I can get it to run at 4GHz with a bit of undervolting.

Yeah, I'm actually just trying to get it stable at stock (it never has been). I OCed the memory because someone suggested that the memory might be too slow to keep up, causing the errors. Do you know what the stock voltage is on the CPU? I heard it was 1.35v, but I'd like to confirm and a quick Google on it didn't bring up anything conclusive. APM and Turbo are currently disabled, but I have the voltage at 1.375v because I was thinking it might have been under volted at the stock "Auto" setting (it would drop as low as 0.9v but jump to as high as 1.5v or so). I also noticed when the BIOS was fully stock, it was actually keeping the CPU overclocked to 4.1 GHz idle.

I'll reset the BIOS real quick, turn off Turbo and APM, turn off C'nC and quickly double check that it has the memory at the correct settings (I think it was over volting it to 1.6v by default and I had to turn it down to 1.5v originally). I'll also try cutting the CPU voltage down to 1.30v just to see what happens. No OCing on anything, I'll just do those things and report back.
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Can I join the club?

Also, I think this would be my limit for temps right?
Welcome to the club smile.gif
Looks like a good overclock you have going there, and it is to the limit of what I would run for temps.
You should fill in your rig's specs on your signature.
Also , go to the thread we have for recording batch numbers, overclocks ,voltages etc. and add your information to the spread sheet.
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Yeah, I'm actually just trying to get it stable at stock (it never has been). I OCed the memory because someone suggested that the memory might be too slow to keep up, causing the errors. Do you know what the stock voltage is on the CPU? I heard it was 1.35v, but I'd like to confirm and a quick Google on it didn't bring up anything conclusive. APM and Turbo are currently disabled, but I have the voltage at 1.375v because I was thinking it might have been under volted at the stock "Auto" setting (it would drop as low as 0.9v but jump to as high as 1.5v or so). I also noticed when the BIOS was fully stock, it was actually keeping the CPU overclocked to 4.1 GHz idle.

I'll reset the BIOS real quick, turn off Turbo and APM, turn off C'nC and quickly double check that it has the memory at the correct settings (I think it was over volting it to 1.6v by default and I had to turn it down to 1.5v originally). I'll also try cutting the CPU voltage down to 1.30v just to see what happens. No OCing on anything, I'll just do those things and report back.

Stock voltage on the CPU varies from unit to unit. Mine is 1.375v with turbo disabled and 1.415v for turbo. You should be able to see the voltage in BIOS, the one with turbo disabled is what you should be looking for. If it's not shown in BIOS (maybe yours doesn't show you) you can leave the CPU volts on auto, disable turbo and cool and quiet (so that volts stay at maximum) and see what CPUz reports in windows.
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Nothing improved frown.gif. Well, there are no more BSoDs, but other than that, OCCT errors within 15 seconds, P95 cores 5, 6, 7 and 8 all fail within seconds. The first 4 cores seem to stay stable.

Settings:
APM: Disabled
Turbo: Disabled
Cool 'n Quiet: Disabled
Multiplier: x20 (4000 MHz)
Voltage: 1.3000v
Memory Voltage: 1.50v (stock, but BIOS had it defaulted to 1.60v)
Memory Speed: 533 MHz (1066, stock)
Timing: 7-7-7-18 (advertised stock, though the BIOS defaulted it to 7-7-7-20 so I tweaked it to what it should be)

Everything else is BIOS default. I'm really at a loss at this point frown.gif
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Yeah, I'm actually just trying to get it stable at stock (it never has been). I OCed the memory because someone suggested that the memory might be too slow to keep up, causing the errors. Do you know what the stock voltage is on the CPU? I heard it was 1.35v, but I'd like to confirm and a quick Google on it didn't bring up anything conclusive. APM and Turbo are currently disabled, but I have the voltage at 1.375v because I was thinking it might have been under volted at the stock "Auto" setting (it would drop as low as 0.9v but jump to as high as 1.5v or so). I also noticed when the BIOS was fully stock, it was actually keeping the CPU overclocked to 4.1 GHz idle.

I'll reset the BIOS real quick, turn off Turbo and APM, turn off C'nC and quickly double check that it has the memory at the correct settings (I think it was over volting it to 1.6v by default and I had to turn it down to 1.5v originally). I'll also try cutting the CPU voltage down to 1.30v just to see what happens. No OCing on anything, I'll just do those things and report back.

Keep us posted on your results.

From what I can tell, to get into the Watt rating of that motherboard, you'd have to run 3.5Ghz around 1.2v (Turbo Disabled so it doesn't try and boost the frequency)

If that runs stable, then to run 4.0Ghz within that range you'd need 1.15v @ 4.0ghz. But that probably wont happen.
Edited by ComputerRestore - 1/19/13 at 4:35pm
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Keep us posted on your results.

From what I can tell, to get into the TDP rating of that motherboard, you'd have to run 3.5Ghz around 1.2v (Turbo Disabled so it doesn't try and boost the frequency)

Is it worth it to do that? I can play games and everything fine (BF3, Planetside 2) for long periods and there's no crashing or anything. I think I'm going to save up for another board and try to get this one returned after the new one comes in (so long as I can pull all that off within the allotted 30 days). It's just irritating that Newegg wasn't more clear int he product description. Should I keep trying to tweak it, or do you think it'll be fine until then? Do you think I'll see any issues?
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AMD FX-8350 @ 4.7 GHz ASUS Sabertooth 990FX R2.0 Zotac GeForce GTX 660 16GB G.Skill Ripjaws X (2 x 8GB @ 1866) 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
WD 640GB (16MB Cache) SATA II @ 7200 RPM (Main) Seagate 2TB (64MB Cache) SATA III @ 5900 RPM (S... HP DVD Writer 1260T SATA 7x Aerocool Shark 140mm Red LED Fans 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Swiftech H220 2x Noctua NF-F12 Fans for H220 Windows 8 Professional LG Flatron W2361V 23" 2ms LCD @ 1920x1080 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung SyncMaster S27A550H 27" 2ms LED LCD @ 1... A USB one that came with an older Dell PC SeaSonic M12II 750W NZXT Switch 810 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Logitech M150 5-Button Bluetooth Wireless Generic Ergonomic w/ Gel Wrist Rest Logitech H800 Bluetooth Wireless Headset Insignia 2.1 channel desktop speakers 
OtherOtherOther
All-In-One Card Reader BOSS Executive High Back Leather Chair Arctic MX4 Thermal Compound 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom II X4 965 BE @ 4.0 GHz Biostar 880G+ AM3 mATX Gigabyte GeForce GTX 560 8GB G.Skill Ripjaws 1066 CL7 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
WD 500GB SATA II Some DVD burner Antec Kuhler H20 920 Windows 7 Home Premium 
MonitorPowerCaseMouse
Acer 27" LED LCD @ 1920x1080 OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W Thermaltake Soprano RS Wireless Optical 
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