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We might have stability on this crap board with high speeds!

Settings:
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C'nC: Disabled
Multiplier: x20 (4000 MHz)
Voltage: 1.4000v

OCCT running in "CPU: OCCT" mode @ 64-bit, Large Data: 15 mins stable (pic was taken minutes ago).

Edit: 32 mins stable now (updating this post until failure).

Is 70.5c too high for CPUTIN max? It seems to be stable around 68c with the stress test... cores maxing at 54.25c. I can feel heat coming out of the case, which is something I never felt before on any PC build ever. I trust the gauges, but it's putting quite a bit of heat out of the case....

At this rate, I feel like I might be able to even OC to 4.2 GHz at the same 1.4v voltage, what do you think? Maybe the CPU/mobo just needed broken in? lol...

I'm worried about how warm the case is, although I know everything is at 100% and all the temps seem relatively normal in HWMonitor. This probably won't be a typical scenario since it's a stress test that's been going for a while, but what do you think?


Edited by Clowerweb - 1/19/13 at 7:51pm
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I have no idea what you attempted to say there. The point is, P95 has been "bug fixed" and updated, and Optimized for Intel processors if you look at the change log. It has not for AMD's new K-15 architecture. So it's possible that the problem you are having is with the program. Using other stress programs like the aforementioned OCCT, and IBT can confirm or eliminate P95 as the problem
You are certainly welcome to continue to watch your machine freeze,hang, and BSOD if you like.

If P95 simply gave incorrect results, then I *could* consider ignoring it.
(Although the results being wrong would have to have been caused by shoddy programming as opposed to some specific CPU instructions behaving out of spec).

However, NO usermode program should be able to BSOD or Freeze the computer.
That is NOT a problem in P95. That is a problem with the system stability!
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bump your v core . 04 volts
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Trying 4.2 GHz @ 1.4750v.... Updating this post.

I should be happy that I got 33.5 mins stable @ 4 GHz and 1.400v on this board, but i want to push it a little and see what's possible lol...

OCCT failed at 2 mins 19 secs. mad.gif

Bumping to 1.5000v just to make sure it's not a power issue.

EDIT: I'm doing this as an experiment. The rates max power is 1.55v and I'm pushing it to 1.50v @ only 4.2 GHz, which is very high for the frequency. I just want to see what happens. This is a crappy mobo, so your results with other motherboards WILL vary, I just hope there is something to learn from this...
Edited by Clowerweb - 1/19/13 at 8:29pm
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Originally Posted by Red1776 View Post

I have no idea what you attempted to say there. The point is, P95 has been "bug fixed" and updated, and Optimized for Intel processors if you look at the change log. It has not for AMD's new K-15 architecture. So it's possible that the problem you are having is with the program. Using other stress programs like the aforementioned OCCT, and IBT can confirm or eliminate P95 as the problem
You are certainly welcome to continue to watch your machine freeze,hang, and BSOD if you like.

If P95 simply gave incorrect results, then I *could* consider ignoring it.
(Although the results being wrong would have to have been caused by shoddy programming as opposed to some specific CPU instructions behaving out of spec).

However, NO usermode program should be able to BSOD or Freeze the computer.
That is NOT a problem in P95. That is a problem with the system stability!

You obviously didn't read what I wrote. You don't know if you have a single problem or several. I have no idea why you are unwilling to try different programs as I said
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Using other stress programs like the aforementioned OCCT, and IBT can confirm or eliminate P95 as the problem
especially one that gives a great deal of feedback about whats happening within your system to begin to find out what is going on and WHY it is unstable, as of right now, you have no clue as to why. You may have voltages , speeds , timings, that are causing the problem in part or whole.

I also don't understand how you can out of hand eliminate P95 as the or one of the problems when the changelog is loaded with "bug fixes"

From P95 Changelog:
27.6 beta April 24, 2012[38] Bug fixes; (v27.5 was skipped;[39] the underlying math libraries went through a revision, but Prime95 was not modified.)
27.7 beta May 3, 2012[40] More bug fixes

The second bug fixes are described below.....

1. A slower trial factoring algorithm is chosen sometimes. Fixed in version 27.6 build 2.
2. The round off error can be incorrectly calculated. Fixed in 27.6 build 3.
3. Mprime -v does not print out the build number. Fixed in version 27.6 build 4.
4. Torture test on small FFTs gets round off errors or crashes after a while. Partially fixed in version 27.6 build 4.
5. Torture test on small FFTs gets round off errors or crashes after a while. In very rare cases, regular tests could crash or raise a round off error. Fixed in version 27.7.
6. Multithreaded FFTs could deadlock. Fixed in version 27.7.

Sure sounds like some of the problems you are having.

Good luck
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4.2 GHz @ 1.5000v... sigh. Way high, I know. Just trying it. For those just reading, I have a cheap crap mobo, so it's a stability test. Check this post for updates...

Error at 2 seconds lol... the best I've got was at 4.0 GHz/ 1.4000v...
Edited by Clowerweb - 1/19/13 at 8:33pm
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Second run @ 4.0 GHz, 1.4000v. Last run at these settings was 33.5 mins stable on OCCT, the best I've had at this speed and down to 3.2 GHz. Was it a fluke? Lets run OCCT again and see... damn... ( will be updating this post again with results)

"CPU: OCCT" mode, 64-bit, Large Data Set (it can run at higher speeds and lower voltages on CPU: LINPACK mode, so I don't trust that one).

Time (updating by the minute until failure): 5 minutes reached

Error on core 0 at 6:63, I give up.
Edited by Clowerweb - 1/19/13 at 8:51pm
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Originally Posted by Clowerweb View Post

We might have stability on this crap board with high speeds!

Settings:
Turbo: Disabled
APM: Disabled
C'nC: Disabled
Multiplier: x20 (4000 MHz)
Voltage: 1.4000v

OCCT running in "CPU: OCCT" mode @ 64-bit, Large Data: 15 mins stable (pic was taken minutes ago).

Edit: 32 mins stable now (updating this post until failure).

Is 70.5c too high for CPUTIN max? It seems to be stable around 68c with the stress test... cores maxing at 54.25c. I can feel heat coming out of the case, which is something I never felt before on any PC build ever. I trust the gauges, but it's putting quite a bit of heat out of the case....

At this rate, I feel like I might be able to even OC to 4.2 GHz at the same 1.4v voltage, what do you think? Maybe the CPU/mobo just needed broken in? lol...

I'm worried about how warm the case is, although I know everything is at 100% and all the temps seem relatively normal in HWMonitor. This probably won't be a typical scenario since it's a stress test that's been going for a while, but what do you think?


No one cares about CPUTIN (socket temp) and 70C isn't cause for alarm anyway, ignore it. 54C on the Cores (Package) is good. What I am worried about is AUXTIN. 79C is too hot for anything in the system. If you have a fan you can plug in and hold over parts of the computer, try holding it over the Northbridge and VRMs, see if the temp goes down.

Also, I'm sorry I didn't ask this before, but do you have a pic of the case with the side panel off? There may be something we can suggest to optimize airflow a bit so the heat is dispersed better.
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Trying 4.2 GHz @ 1.4750v.... Updating this post.

I should be happy that I got 33.5 mins stable @ 4 GHz and 1.400v on this board, but i want to push it a little and see what's possible lol...

OCCT failed at 2 mins 19 secs. mad.gif

Bumping to 1.5000v just to make sure it's not a power issue.

EDIT: I'm doing this as an experiment. The rates max power is 1.55v and I'm pushing it to 1.50v @ only 4.2 GHz, which is very high for the frequency. I just want to see what happens. This is a crappy mobo, so your results with other motherboards WILL vary, I just hope there is something to learn from this...

I'm going to seriously suggest not doing that on a cheap ASRock board with no VRM cooling and only the stock fan... That's just a really bad idea... Even if the VRMs can take it, they can't take the heat, there's nothing cooling them at all.
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4.0 GHz @ 1.4500v, last try - HWMonitor reports that the CPU has pulled up to 1.448v. If it isn't stable now, I'm just going to deal with it until I can get a new board. This is getting retarded... mad.gif

OCCT started, updates to this post coming soon...

Failed at 2m 39s. Maybe it was a fluke that it ran at 4.0 GHz on 1.4000v because I couldn't even come close to reproducing it again. What a fail. I've tried everything.

@KyadCK I will post pics in a few minutes, stay tuned.
Edited by Clowerweb - 1/19/13 at 11:06pm
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WD 640GB (16MB Cache) SATA II @ 7200 RPM (Main) Seagate 2TB (64MB Cache) SATA III @ 5900 RPM (S... HP DVD Writer 1260T SATA 7x Aerocool Shark 140mm Red LED Fans 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Swiftech H220 2x Noctua NF-F12 Fans for H220 Windows 8 Professional LG Flatron W2361V 23" 2ms LCD @ 1920x1080 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung SyncMaster S27A550H 27" 2ms LED LCD @ 1... A USB one that came with an older Dell PC SeaSonic M12II 750W NZXT Switch 810 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Logitech M150 5-Button Bluetooth Wireless Generic Ergonomic w/ Gel Wrist Rest Logitech H800 Bluetooth Wireless Headset Insignia 2.1 channel desktop speakers 
OtherOtherOther
All-In-One Card Reader BOSS Executive High Back Leather Chair Arctic MX4 Thermal Compound 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom II X4 965 BE @ 4.0 GHz Biostar 880G+ AM3 mATX Gigabyte GeForce GTX 560 8GB G.Skill Ripjaws 1066 CL7 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
WD 500GB SATA II Some DVD burner Antec Kuhler H20 920 Windows 7 Home Premium 
MonitorPowerCaseMouse
Acer 27" LED LCD @ 1920x1080 OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W Thermaltake Soprano RS Wireless Optical 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX-8350 @ 4.7 GHz ASUS Sabertooth 990FX R2.0 Zotac GeForce GTX 660 16GB G.Skill Ripjaws X (2 x 8GB @ 1866) 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
WD 640GB (16MB Cache) SATA II @ 7200 RPM (Main) Seagate 2TB (64MB Cache) SATA III @ 5900 RPM (S... HP DVD Writer 1260T SATA 7x Aerocool Shark 140mm Red LED Fans 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Swiftech H220 2x Noctua NF-F12 Fans for H220 Windows 8 Professional LG Flatron W2361V 23" 2ms LCD @ 1920x1080 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung SyncMaster S27A550H 27" 2ms LED LCD @ 1... A USB one that came with an older Dell PC SeaSonic M12II 750W NZXT Switch 810 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Logitech M150 5-Button Bluetooth Wireless Generic Ergonomic w/ Gel Wrist Rest Logitech H800 Bluetooth Wireless Headset Insignia 2.1 channel desktop speakers 
OtherOtherOther
All-In-One Card Reader BOSS Executive High Back Leather Chair Arctic MX4 Thermal Compound 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom II X4 965 BE @ 4.0 GHz Biostar 880G+ AM3 mATX Gigabyte GeForce GTX 560 8GB G.Skill Ripjaws 1066 CL7 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
WD 500GB SATA II Some DVD burner Antec Kuhler H20 920 Windows 7 Home Premium 
MonitorPowerCaseMouse
Acer 27" LED LCD @ 1920x1080 OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W Thermaltake Soprano RS Wireless Optical 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX-8350 @ 4.7 GHz ASUS Sabertooth 990FX R2.0 Zotac GeForce GTX 660 16GB G.Skill Ripjaws X (2 x 8GB @ 1866) 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
WD 640GB (16MB Cache) SATA II @ 7200 RPM (Main) Seagate 2TB (64MB Cache) SATA III @ 5900 RPM (S... HP DVD Writer 1260T SATA 7x Aerocool Shark 140mm Red LED Fans 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Swiftech H220 2x Noctua NF-F12 Fans for H220 Windows 8 Professional LG Flatron W2361V 23" 2ms LCD @ 1920x1080 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung SyncMaster S27A550H 27" 2ms LED LCD @ 1... A USB one that came with an older Dell PC SeaSonic M12II 750W NZXT Switch 810 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Logitech M150 5-Button Bluetooth Wireless Generic Ergonomic w/ Gel Wrist Rest Logitech H800 Bluetooth Wireless Headset Insignia 2.1 channel desktop speakers 
OtherOtherOther
All-In-One Card Reader BOSS Executive High Back Leather Chair Arctic MX4 Thermal Compound 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom II X4 965 BE @ 4.0 GHz Biostar 880G+ AM3 mATX Gigabyte GeForce GTX 560 8GB G.Skill Ripjaws 1066 CL7 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
WD 500GB SATA II Some DVD burner Antec Kuhler H20 920 Windows 7 Home Premium 
MonitorPowerCaseMouse
Acer 27" LED LCD @ 1920x1080 OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W Thermaltake Soprano RS Wireless Optical 
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The Judge
(23 items)
 
The Jury
(12 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX-8350 @ 4.7 GHz ASUS Sabertooth 990FX R2.0 Zotac GeForce GTX 660 16GB G.Skill Ripjaws X (2 x 8GB @ 1866) 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
WD 640GB (16MB Cache) SATA II @ 7200 RPM (Main) Seagate 2TB (64MB Cache) SATA III @ 5900 RPM (S... HP DVD Writer 1260T SATA 7x Aerocool Shark 140mm Red LED Fans 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Swiftech H220 2x Noctua NF-F12 Fans for H220 Windows 8 Professional LG Flatron W2361V 23" 2ms LCD @ 1920x1080 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung SyncMaster S27A550H 27" 2ms LED LCD @ 1... A USB one that came with an older Dell PC SeaSonic M12II 750W NZXT Switch 810 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Logitech M150 5-Button Bluetooth Wireless Generic Ergonomic w/ Gel Wrist Rest Logitech H800 Bluetooth Wireless Headset Insignia 2.1 channel desktop speakers 
OtherOtherOther
All-In-One Card Reader BOSS Executive High Back Leather Chair Arctic MX4 Thermal Compound 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom II X4 965 BE @ 4.0 GHz Biostar 880G+ AM3 mATX Gigabyte GeForce GTX 560 8GB G.Skill Ripjaws 1066 CL7 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
WD 500GB SATA II Some DVD burner Antec Kuhler H20 920 Windows 7 Home Premium 
MonitorPowerCaseMouse
Acer 27" LED LCD @ 1920x1080 OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W Thermaltake Soprano RS Wireless Optical 
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