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You're running a 125W processor on a board that isn't able. If I were in your position I would undervolt. Throwing more voltage at the problem is the exact opposite of what you should be doing. The board can't give the chip what it needs.

Things I would do:

Try 4GHz at 1.25v. From tests I've seen this puts Vishera at pretty close to 95W.

If not stable, I would look at lowering the frequency 100MHz and further undervolting it.

I've gone all they way down to 1.7500v @ 3.2 GHz and can't get stable (see my earlier posts). I'm screwed. And Newegg had it listed as being able to run 125w FX processors @ up to 140w, which is incorrect according to the manufacturer's website, so i bought it under a false description on Newegg's part, and they want $14 to print a return shipping label with no refund until 3-5 business days after they get it back... so I can't get anything else in the meantime and my budget would still be reduced by $14. I have $40 in the bank and my credit is 100% maxed. The only way I could maybe have $100 for another mobo would be if they refunded me now and let me send this one back after a new one is shipped, even then I'm out another week of work, but it might be doable on my part. I doubt they'll do it though, and Monday is a holiday, so that's another delay.
Edited by Clowerweb - 1/20/13 at 12:50am
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$80 motherboards do not have LLC. His closet is horribly incompatible. I am surprised it even posts. He'll need a 990FX chipset. board to have decent power phase control.

And we're back to saying things that are not true... 970a-UD3 has 8+2 phase and will easily support a FX-8350. It's a 990FXA-UD3 with cut down expansion slots and non-black PCB, that's it. Anything 990X will support it as well.

Seriously, we have a database of this stuff, it's not hard to look it up.
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Finally got my rig built. This thing is QUICK!. Stock vid via CPUZ is 1.308. But my TEMP via HWmonitor seems way to low. Like 19-30*c package temps? thinking.gif

Idle or Load?
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And for me that is stable OCCT :
http://valid.canardpc.com/2660106

cooler : H100
temp max : 56

Nice! Welcome to the 5Ghz FX party. thumb.gif
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$80 motherboards do not have LLC. His closet is horribly incompatible. I am surprised it even posts. He'll need a 990FX chipset. board to have decent power phase control.

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I've gone all they way down to 1.7500v @ 3.2 GHz and can't get stable (see my earlier posts). I'm screwed.

You are not under golfing . Try 1.25 volts at say 3.7 GHz. If that doesn't,t work bite the bullet ,return the board and wait till you have about $140 for Gigabyte UD3 with 990 FX chipset.
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As a last resort you could try disabling a module if your board allows, or just find whatever settings gave you the longest time before failing OCCT and just run that. Does what you're using your computer for really demand absolute stability?
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You are not under golfing . Try 1.25 volts at say 3.7 GHz. If that doesn't,t work bite the bullet ,return the board and wait till you have about $140 for Gigabyte UD3 with 990 FX chipset.

But I can't wait until I have $140... I have $40 and a bad $70 board, and already a week off work. How am I going to make $140 for a new one + $14 to ship the bad board back in the meantime when I can't even work and make money?
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As a last resort you could try disabling a module if your board allows, or just find whatever settings gave you the longest time before failing OCCT and just run that. Does what you're using your computer for really demand absolute stability?

When it's BSODing under normal use, yes.
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As a last resort you could try disabling a module if your board allows, or just find whatever settings gave you the longest time before failing OCCT and just run that. Does what you're using your computer for really demand absolute stability?

The longest time was at 4.0 GHz and 1.4000v (OCCT 33.5 mins), after trying to go to 4.2 GHz at various voltages and back down to 4.0 @ 1.4v, I can't get near the same stability again for some reason (OCCT now under 3 mins every time).
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I rely on my computer to work and not BSoD, and be fast while I run Apache, PHP, MySQL, Avast (in the background), PHPStorm IDE, Photoshop x64, Skype, and several Chrome tabs at minimum. It needs to multitask fast and especially not BSoD. I can't get that with this build at all. mad.gif

Yeah, I'm mad at Newegg, and I'm mad at myself for not double checking, but I'm also mad at AMD because we should be well past 125w chips by now (down to 80w or better, at least give us 95w for the best chips..?), and the wattage is probably the issue.
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You're running a 125W processor on a board that isn't able. If I were in your position I would undervolt. Throwing more voltage at the problem is the exact opposite of what you should be doing. The board can't give the chip what it needs.

Things I would do:

Try 4GHz at 1.25v. From tests I've seen this puts Vishera at pretty close to 95W.

If not stable, I would look at lowering the frequency 100MHz and further undervolting it.

I've gone all they way down to 1.7500v @ 3.2 GHz and can't get stable (see my earlier posts). I'm screwed. And Newegg had it listed as being able to run 125w FX processors @ up to 140w, which is incorrect according to the manufacturer's website, so i bought it under a false description on Newegg's part, and they want $14 to print a return shipping label with no refund until 3-5 business days after they get it back... so I can't get anything else in the meantime and my budget would still be reduced by $14. I have $40 in the bank and my credit is 100% maxed. The only way I could maybe have $100 for another mobo would be if they refunded me now and let me send this one back after a new one is shipped, even then I'm out another week of work, but it might be doable on my part. I doubt they'll do it though, and Monday is a holiday, so that's another delay.

Alright, few things.

1: Call newegg tech support on Monday, and complain. The product does not work as described, and you aren't RMAing it, you're returning a defective or mis-advertised product. They'll pay the return shipping if you complain enough, they have for other people.

2: This probably doesn't help but they do have an openbox GA-970a-UD3 for $75. And it does support 125w AMD FX chips. You could even overclock on it a little bit, though LLC control is a bit iffy.
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Originally Posted by KyadCK View Post

Alright, few things.

1: Call newegg tech support on Monday, and complain. The product does not work as described, and you aren't RMAing it, you're returning a defective or mis-advertised product. They'll pay the return shipping if you complain enough, they have for other people.

2: This probably doesn't help but they do have an openbox GA-970a-UD3 for $75. And it does support 125w AMD FX chips. You could even overclock on it a little bit, though LLC control is a bit iffy.

At this point, I don't even care about overclocking. I just want to run stable @ stock. I'm only running 1066 MHz memory anyway, so the CPU isn't the bottlecks where performance is concerned. I just need Newegg to refund my money BEFORE I order another board, so that I have the money to order another one, and I feel that I shouldn't have to pay return shipping when they are clearly at fault for the misunderstanding (look at the board, they say FX chips @ 140w: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157305&nm_mc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel&cm_mmc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel-_-Content-_-text-_-). Yes, I made the mistake of trusting the description, but overall is that my fault or theirs?

It says FX chips @ 140w. This is false. It's their fault. I should be able to RMA for free and get a new board with the refund before returning this one.

This is the claim on the description:

CPU Type: FX / Phenom II / Athlon II / Sempron 100 Series

Supports CPU up to 140W

Support for Socket AM3+ processors

Support for Socket AM3 processors: AMD PhenomTM II X6 / X4 / X3 / X2 (except 920 / 940) / Athlon II X4 / X3 / X2 / Sempron processors

100% All Solid Capacitor Design

Supports AM3+ Processor, 8-Core CPU

Supports Dual Channel DDR3 1866(OC)

Digi Power Design

1 x PCIe 2.0 x16 Slot

2 x USB 3.0, 2 x SATA3

PCIE Gigabit LAN

5.1 CH HD Audio (Realtek ALC662 Audio Codec), Supports THX TruStudio

Supports ASRock XFast RAM, XFast LAN, XFast USB

Free Bundle : CyberLink MediaEspresso 6.5 Trial, ASRock MAGIX Multimedia Suite

Someone on the forum here had to look up the board on the ASRock site to figure out that it doesn't even support this chip: http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/970DE3U3S3/?cat=CPU It doesn't work at ANY settings (it posts and boots into Windows, it just doesn't work CORRECTLY) - the chip isn't supported period.

Newegg's description indicated that it should work fine. That's the issue.
Edited by Clowerweb - 1/20/13 at 1:27am
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX-8350 @ 4.7 GHz ASUS Sabertooth 990FX R2.0 Zotac GeForce GTX 660 16GB G.Skill Ripjaws X (2 x 8GB @ 1866) 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
WD 640GB (16MB Cache) SATA II @ 7200 RPM (Main) Seagate 2TB (64MB Cache) SATA III @ 5900 RPM (S... HP DVD Writer 1260T SATA 7x Aerocool Shark 140mm Red LED Fans 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Swiftech H220 2x Noctua NF-F12 Fans for H220 Windows 8 Professional LG Flatron W2361V 23" 2ms LCD @ 1920x1080 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung SyncMaster S27A550H 27" 2ms LED LCD @ 1... A USB one that came with an older Dell PC SeaSonic M12II 750W NZXT Switch 810 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Logitech M150 5-Button Bluetooth Wireless Generic Ergonomic w/ Gel Wrist Rest Logitech H800 Bluetooth Wireless Headset Insignia 2.1 channel desktop speakers 
OtherOtherOther
All-In-One Card Reader BOSS Executive High Back Leather Chair Arctic MX4 Thermal Compound 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom II X4 965 BE @ 4.0 GHz Biostar 880G+ AM3 mATX Gigabyte GeForce GTX 560 8GB G.Skill Ripjaws 1066 CL7 
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WD 500GB SATA II Some DVD burner Antec Kuhler H20 920 Windows 7 Home Premium 
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