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Are you enjoying your AMD FX rig better than your Intel rig?

In terms of overclocking, yes. SB and SB-E are just plain boring to OC since they don't scale with cold, can't take the volts, have a max multi that you just hit and can't go over etc.

But obviously the intel rig is the one that performs better.

In..?
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In..?

Benching, video editing, and some of the games I play (I dabble in SC2 for example). Can't really tell the difference in other games, but I have no idea what would happen with a more modern GPU setup, I guess we'll see when I get a titan tongue.gif
 
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In..?

Well, obviously the 3930k is going to outperform the 8320 - your'e surprised? It's a $200 chip vs. a $570 chip. Something we all kinda tend to try to keep left unsaid on the AMD forum is that Intel is obviously light years ahead of AMD on their higher end chips. AMD is the better company to support (I liken Intel to Apple on a scale of 1-10 in evilness), but they aren't competing in the enthusiast performance market these days. Hopefully that changes in 2014 with Steamroller...
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In..?

Benching, video editing, and some of the games I play (I dabble in SC2 for example). Can't really tell the difference in other games, but I have no idea what would happen with a more modern GPU setup, I guess we'll see when I get a titan tongue.gif

Good answer to a stupid question. smile.gif
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Alright guys finally got another Single 12v rail psu and pushed my 8320 all the way to 1.55v and i cant even get 4.7ghz stable is there a voltage im missing here that can stablalize this beast or did i just get a junk chip. Let me know i need some help bad

Im not sure how far this will help you but on my Asus mobo i use the following and remain stable from 4.50Ghz to 4.90Ghz on a FX-8350 with 1600Mhz Ram.


CPU/NB Freq = 2200Mhz @ 1.18v
HT Freq = 2200Mhz


CPU LLC = Ultra High
NB LLC = High
CPU Current = 120-130%
NB Current = 120-130%
Power phase = Standard ( though you can try Optimised/Extreme/ or manual )

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Well, obviously the 3930k is going to outperform the 8320 - your'e surprised? It's a $200 chip vs. a $570 chip. Something we all kinda tend to try to keep left unsaid on the AMD forum is that Intel is obviously light years ahead of AMD on their higher end chips. AMD is the better company to support (I liken Intel to Apple on a scale of 1-10 in evilness), but they aren't competing in the enthusiast performance market these days. Hopefully that changes in 2014 with Steamroller...

Well, to be fair, I've found that optimized GCC Linux code usually obliterates the standard issue Windows code. I tested it with a 3930k at 4ghz. I made a blender demo file, gave it to my friend to render on his 3930k with the official version from blender.org. I ran the version from blender.org and then I ran the GCC optimized one in linux.

The end results was

FX 8350 @ 5ghz Windows: 2:20
3930k @ 4ghz Windows: 1:28
FX 8350 @ 5ghz in Linux optimized: 1:08

After that I realized that software optimization makes a gigantic difference, more so than the hardware. I was ahead of the 3930k @ 4ghz by about 30%. I haven't really cared about benchmarks that much anymore, other than just a sample of how something will run specific code on a specific platform. When it comes down to it, no amount of benchmarking in the world will declare AMD FX or Intel Bridge superior. Intel Bridge is miles ahead in Windows or with unoptimized or Intel optimized code. When AMD FX is fully optimized, it's out of this world. I expected software optimizations and fancy instructions to give me a good edge, but I didn't expect to beat 3930k by about 30%.

Overall though it's put me in a place where I don't declare anything superior. For 99% of people, they're running Windows so Intel has the edge. However, when it comes to Linux, I don't think Intel can keep up in some workloads. It would be interesting to see how Gentoo on my i7 920 optimized would compare to my FX 8350 optimized. It's the only thing I have laying around and convincing someone to install Gentoo is not an easy task. It's difficult enough to get people to try Linux, but when you tell them they have to compile everything and it's going to take a few hours of figuring things out and watching a terminal's gcc output, and then you don't even get a desktop environment, just a terminal.

I do think that Piledriver would have an edge over Bridge in Gentoo though. Piledriver has more fancy instructions, and if you can use them, that makes a much bigger difference than IPC. If you have an instruction that does something in 5 clock cycles instead of 20, and the CPU that can do it in 5 clock cycles has horrible IPC, it's still going to be faster than the one that takes 20, but only if it can use the instructions.
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Of course optimizations make a fair bit of difference but you can't just write off hardware advantages. Would have been interesting to see what a 3930K at 5ghz could do in linux instead of comparing it at a 1ghz lower speed than the FX and in windows. The clock speed difference alone is about 30%.

Yes the FX series looks better in a linux environment than a windows one but lets be real here, it doesn't even nearly mean that it blows every intel chip out of the water.
 
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[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Multimedia\SystemProfile]
"NetworkThrottlingIndex"=dword:ffffffff
"SystemResponsiveness"=dword:00000000

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Multimedia\SystemProfile\Tasks\Games]
"Scheduling Category"="High"
"SFIO Priority"="High"
"Background Only"="False"
"Priority"=dword:00000001
"Clock Rate"=dword:00002710
"GPU Priority"=dword:00000001
"Affinity"=dword:00000000

So since my cpu does not like to go much higher than 4.8ghz i have been exploring options or fine tuning for what it will handle, after reading about this tweak it really did not do much for me however after playing with it and visiting microsofts website and reading about it the Priority of 1 is the lowest and 8 is the higest so i tested it out and it recieves a slight boost for the cpu, no voltages changed no ram differences or gpu changes just changed the priority to 8 set the gpu priority to 8 as well for the hell of it but it really does not do any thing anyways the bottom was stock unaltered and the top two runs are with the tweak applied
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Yup

Nice!! Good work!
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Of course optimizations make a fair bit of difference but you can't just write off hardware advantages. Would have been interesting to see what a 3930K at 5ghz could do in linux instead of comparing it at a 1ghz lower speed than the FX and in windows. The clock speed difference alone is about 30%.

Yes the FX series looks better in a linux environment than a windows one but lets be real here, it doesn't even nearly mean that it blows every intel chip out of the water.

Yeah that's kind of a silly comparison. He didn't even show the times for the 3930K in Linux.

It's kind of like, my car is faster than your car, when you're on an ice covered road and I have hot asphalt. Doesn't mean much.

Anyone do any DICE or LN2 overclocking with their PD? What's the max validation so far?

Any crazy memory OC's? 3000MHz+??
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"For me , 50'sC is where stability issues can begin do what ever you can to keep it cooler. Are you running push pull on that H-100?
What level of LLC are you using? What is your voltage at load? If you don't know, try running OCCT and check the graphs it makes."

Thats just nonsense. CPU will not loose stability caused by heat in 60`s and my start to loose it in 70`C, but for sure it will not in 50`C. AMD treshold is 62C and that menas that CPU will be absolutely stable heatwise up to 62C. They said that 62C is set way below real treshold when CPU can be unstable for safety precautions.
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