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Anything using Seasonic as the PSU's OEM at 600W and onward is going to work. (Antec TruePower 650W is what I use, and I can fold 12-24h with a FX8350@4.76GHz + Nvidia GTX660 @1215MHz + GTX560 @ 875-912MHz + GTX260 @ 675-700MHz.)
Unstable RAM is also known to cause shutdowns.
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I just got my new board yesterday (a Sabertooth 990FX R2.0) and this one is replacing a GA-990FXA-UD3 board and has a FX-8350. I'll be honest, can't complain about the Gigabyte board and that it performed better then anticipated. Was able to easily oc and get my chip to 4.8-5Ghz no prob and with great temps...I just wanted higher quality hardware with better bios that had more options and tweaks in it especially the vrm and digi+ power controls..this boards has it all.

But one thing that has happened here is the temps...firstly my chip stock vid was a nice 1.325v when I got it and on both boards it defaults to that level. On the GA board, I got to 5GHZ with V as high as 1.54v with ultra LLC but temps stayed easily under 52 degrees under FULL STRESS TESTING LOAD and usually ranged between 47-50 degrees...I was VERY happy with that..and this is with a Corsair H100 water cooler. So very happy there but on this new setup, even at just 4.5Ghz via 1.385v I easily hit 60 degrees at FULL load! I prefer to always stay below the 55 degree max that most suggest for these AMD chips.

What do u think is causing this?
Possibly poor reset of the thermal paste and cooler? Maybe I just had that "sweet spot" on the last setup and having to take it out and reapply the paste and cooler again changed that and I didn't get that same cooling connection again?
I don't assume the board itself should have made much of a difference right? Especially at lower volts? If anything it should have gotten even BETTER and even COOLER, no?

Someone recommended a lower LLC..but I've tried them all..from none (regular or auto) up to Extreme...and even running everything at STOCK clocks.. so 4Ghz and no turbo..auto vid (nice and low of course)..yet it STILL runs much higher then it should and then it DID on the Gigabyte board..at lower stock clocks, it ranges from 53-59 degrees now at FULL stress load.

Is this common when switching boards and resetting a CPU and cooler? I really want to get back to the easy oc with good temps again that I HAD before and this board should have been even better if any change at all.
Please share your thoughts on this.

I have not done the "reset" of the cooler and thermal paste on the cpu...yet...but I guess this is what I should do before anything else?
Thanks
Edited by electech13 - 2/18/13 at 11:36am
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Before you drop the dough on a new PSU, you should really run a test with OCCT. You can use the graphs to find out if there are other issues preventing a higher overclock. You could even post the graphs here, and see what members of the group suspect is the issue.

It'll boot into Windows just fine on 5GHz, but when I begin the OCCT test, it freezes the computer a few seconds into it and I'm forced to restart.
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Hi there guys I just got my little brother an fx 8350 since I will be using my 1090T that was given to him for other purposes. I was dumb to go for the TA990FXE from biostar which I am having nightmares with as the bios is so effing horrible. I am also having a bit of problem with my temperature readout core temp reads 11C on idle, well this is when the cpu underclocks and undervolts the temperature @stock speed are around 19 and load temps are 38C, is it me or is this absurdly low ?

The cpu cooler that I am using is the Thermaltake frio.
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Hi there guys I just got my little brother an fx 8350 since I will be using my 1090T that was given to him for other purposes. I was dumb to go for the TA990FXE from biostar which I am having nightmares with as the bios is so effing horrible. I am also having a bit of problem with my temperature readout core temp reads 11C on idle, well this is when the cpu underclocks and undervolts the temperature @stock speed are around 19 and load temps are 38C, is it me or is this absurdly low ?

The cpu cooler that I am using is the Thermaltake frio.
The sensor is inaccurate under 40 and above 60, I even managed to get it to show 0°C... so there's nothing to worry about.
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I just got my new board yesterday (a Sabertooth 990FX R2.0) and this one is replacing a GA-990FXA-UD3 board and has a FX-8350. I'll be honest, can't complain about the Gigabyte board and that it performed better then anticipated. Was able to easily oc and get my chip to 4.8-5Ghz no prob and with great temps...I just wanted higher quality hardware with better bios that had more options and tweaks in it especially the vrm and digi+ power controls..this boards has it all.

But one thing that has happened here is the temps...firstly my chip stock vid was a nice 1.325v when I got it and on both boards it defaults to that level. On the GA board, I got to 5GHZ with V as high as 1.54v with ultra LLC but temps stayed easily under 52 degrees under FULL STRESS TESTING LOAD and usually ranged between 47-50 degrees...I was VERY happy with that..and this is with a Corsair H100 water cooler. So very happy there but on this new setup, even at just 4.5Ghz via 1.385v I easily hit 60 degrees at FULL load! I prefer to always stay below the 55 degree max that most suggest for these AMD chips.

What do u think is causing this?
Possibly poor reset of the thermal paste and cooler? Maybe I just had that "sweet spot" on the last setup and having to take it out and reapply the paste and cooler again changed that and I didn't get that same cooling connection again?
I don't assume the board itself should have made much of a difference right? Especially at lower volts? If anything it should have gotten even BETTER and even COOLER, no?

Someone recommended a lower LLC..but I've tried them all..from none (regular or auto) up to Extreme...and even running everything at STOCK clocks.. so 4Ghz and no turbo..auto vid (nice and low of course)..yet it STILL runs much higher then it should and then it DID on the Gigabyte board..at lower stock clocks, it ranges from 53-59 degrees now at FULL stress load.

Is this common when switching boards and resetting a CPU and cooler? I really want to get back to the easy oc with good temps again that I HAD before and this board should have been even better if any change at all.
Please share your thoughts on this.

I have not done the "reset" of the cooler and thermal paste on the cpu...yet...but I guess this is what I should do before anything else?
Thanks

Some reviewers have reported that ASUS boards such as the sabertooth and crosshair are pushing more voltage to the cpu (as much as .1 volts) than shown in Cpu-z or other monitoring programs.
This was discovered by using a multimeter directly on the motherboard.
I have no experience at all with those motherboards, just passing on other people's findings.
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But I have a 3930K in my intel rig... You don't need single threaded code for a 6 core 12 thread SB-E at 5ghz+ to beat a FX8320...

You do realize that the 3930K offers around 45% more performance than te 3770K when all cores are used?

(sorry for somewhat off topic redface.gif)

So you are putting a $600 cpu against a FX 8350 that can buy for $189. If we want a comparison that makes sense maybe I need a dual processor motherboard AMD that can run 2 FX8350's. It would still be cheraper than your Intel .b. and one $600 cpu. I am sure it would kick ass on the Intel 3930K as well. I don't think there is such a motherboard. I would have to run 2 AMD server chips instead.
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So you are putting a $600 cpu against a FX 8350 that can buy for $189. If we want a comparison that makes sense maybe I need a dual processor motherboard AMD that can run 2 FX8350's. It would still be cheraper than your Intel .b. and one $600 cpu. I am sure it would kick ass on the Intel 3930K as well. I don't think there is such a motherboard. I would have to run 2 AMD server chips instead.

Easy buddy. I brought this up and my point is that software optimizations makes such a massive difference from my experiments that FX 8350 can go from almost twice as slow as 3930k in Windows with no optimizations to 30% faster with optimizations for AMD FX 8350.

Ergo, the statement "3930k is faster than AMD FX 8350" is not true. 3930k is faster in a Wintel ecosystem with unoptimized or Intel optimized code. A true statement is "3930k is faster than FX 8350 at unoptimized code or the code that the majority of people run".

I then took this point to say that we don't know what kind of optimizations we have in the software that runs closed source benchmarks, and that if we can see that much deviation based on optimization, that benchmarks are useless for extrapolating chip performance. At best, it is only good for telling us how good a chip is at running a specific piece of compiled code. The actual code itself doesn't even matter, as in my experiment both systems ran the same code, it was just compiled differently.

Those optimizations are simply using parts of the CPU that aren't getting used. If someone is going to say that Intel is faster because it ran closed source benchmarks, you might as well say a V12 running on less than 12 cylinders (but we don't know how many) is slower than a 4 cylinder engine running on all 4.

Basically, I'm trying to argue that the entire method of CPU benchmarking is invalid and the conclusions people extrapolate from them are simply wrong. I figure we saw the death of FPS numbers in 2012, why not get a little critical of "I ran superPI and this chip is faster in that benchmark, and it won 4/5 benchmarks so it's clearly a better chip no matter what program you're running."

I guess you can say running Gentoo on this AMD FX has made me pretty skeptical of Windows and software benchmarks in general. Not to mention it's always fun to see Gentoo speeches and hear them talk about how Gentoo isn't for speed and if you saw more than 10% increase in speed, they'd be amazed. I put an extra zero onto what they expect from gains from running Gentoo, and to me that's a pretty big red flag that things are not right in the world of software.
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So you are putting a $600 cpu against a FX 8350 that can buy for $189. If we want a comparison that makes sense maybe I need a dual processor motherboard AMD that can run 2 FX8350's. It would still be cheraper than your Intel .b. and one $600 cpu. I am sure it would kick ass on the Intel 3930K as well. I don't think there is such a motherboard. I would have to run 2 AMD server chips instead.

I said it was faster because I was asked if I like my AMD setup better than the intel one. I said I like OCing on the AMD setup but I actually like benching/using the intel system because it gives me better performance.

Price wasn't even part of the discussions since it was about my personal preference and experiences.
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Have yet to see a full review in any OS where any current AMD desktop CPU beat a hexa core SB-E i7 consistently. Some programs obviously yes.

SB-E hexas are around 50% above 3770Ks when all threads are used...
 
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It'll boot into Windows just fine on 5GHz, but when I begin the OCCT test, it freezes the computer a few seconds into it and I'm forced to restart.

What is the highest stable that you've been able to get so far? Do you have the same freezing at 4.7-4.9Ghz?

Start with your highest stable Overclock (OCCT or 10 Run of IBT on high) then work your way up to 5.0Ghz.

Hopefully we can help you get a good OC on that motherboard. Not even any of the reviews have shown the potential of it.
Edited by ComputerRestore - 2/18/13 at 4:29pm
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