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I dont know what hapρens! cpu usage is low for stress test ...
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Easy buddy. I brought this up and my point is that software optimizations makes such a massive difference from my experiments that FX 8350 can go from almost twice as slow as 3930k in Windows with no optimizations to 30% faster with optimizations for AMD FX 8350.

Ergo, the statement "3930k is faster than AMD FX 8350" is not true. 3930k is faster in a Wintel ecosystem with unoptimized or Intel optimized code. A true statement is "3930k is faster than FX 8350 at unoptimized code or the code that the majority of people run".

I then took this point to say that we don't know what kind of optimizations we have in the software that runs closed source benchmarks, and that if we can see that much deviation based on optimization, that benchmarks are useless for extrapolating chip performance. At best, it is only good for telling us how good a chip is at running a specific piece of compiled code. The actual code itself doesn't even matter, as in my experiment both systems ran the same code, it was just compiled differently.

Those optimizations are simply using parts of the CPU that aren't getting used. If someone is going to say that Intel is faster because it ran closed source benchmarks, you might as well say a V12 running on less than 12 cylinders (but we don't know how many) is slower than a 4 cylinder engine running on all 4.

Basically, I'm trying to argue that the entire method of CPU benchmarking is invalid and the conclusions people extrapolate from them are simply wrong. I figure we saw the death of FPS numbers in 2012, why not get a little critical of "I ran superPI and this chip is faster in that benchmark, and it won 4/5 benchmarks so it's clearly a better chip no matter what program you're running."

I guess you can say running Gentoo on this AMD FX has made me pretty skeptical of Windows and software benchmarks in general. Not to mention it's always fun to see Gentoo speeches and hear them talk about how Gentoo isn't for speed and if you saw more than 10% increase in speed, they'd be amazed. I put an extra zero onto what they expect from gains from running Gentoo, and to me that's a pretty big red flag that things are not right in the world of software.

Now that you have amplified your views I am wholly in agreement with you. It takes great forethought on how to run CPU comparisons that are objective and establish an even playing field. Most of the enthusiast web sites do not have a clue of how to do it right . A few do and some of those have a hidden agenda like they get advertising revenue from Intel or a whole lot of free hardware. So completely ethical, professional standards are required as well as analytical technical skills.
post #8763 of 67351
Curious if anyone here is pairing their 8350 CPU with an Asus Sabertooth 990FX R2.0?

I've read a bit about this board possibly running a bit hotter as the voltage may be going higher then what it is reporting... I had it on gigabyte UD3 board at 4.8-5Ghz 1.48-1.54v and easily kept under 52 degrees at full load...this hits 60 no prob at 4.2-4.5Ghz at a low 1.39v or less..very strange.
I still have yet to reseat the Corsair H100 and re-apply the thermal paste..hope that works.

But other issue I have is ram. Firstly what do most of you here like to run or oc your ram at? I've heard that anything at or above 2133 is hard on these AMD chips and most boards. I'm happy with 2000 to 2133. But I've used 6 different pairs of dimms now all rated at 2133 or 2400 and most don't work above 1600 or if they do..a lot of errors.. I've found one single pair of Gskill Snipers that are 2133 and work up to that level with no errors.

So basically, should I be happy with that and chalk it up to "finicky" board that is particular with ram or replace the board? And does it even matter to most of you to even run your ram above 1600?
Thanks

(I have tried post in Sabertooth thread first with little help yet)
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Curious if anyone here is pairing their 8350 CPU with an Asus Sabertooth 990FX R2.0?

I've read a bit about this board possibly running a bit hotter as the voltage may be going higher then what it is reporting... I had it on gigabyte UD3 board at 4.8-5Ghz 1.48-1.54v and easily kept under 52 degrees at full load...this hits 60 no prob at 4.2-4.5Ghz at a low 1.39v or less..very strange.
I still have yet to reseat the Corsair H100 and re-apply the thermal paste..hope that works.

But other issue I have is ram. Firstly what do most of you here like to run or oc your ram at? I've heard that anything at or above 2133 is hard on these AMD chips and most boards. I'm happy with 2000 to 2133. But I've used 6 different pairs of dimms now all rated at 2133 or 2400 and most don't work above 1600 or if they do..a lot of errors.. I've found one single pair of Gskill Snipers that are 2133 and work up to that level with no errors.

So basically, should I be happy with that and chalk it up to "finicky" board that is particular with ram or replace the board? And does it even matter to most of you to even run your ram above 1600?
Thanks

(I have tried post in Sabertooth thread first with little help yet)
I have the Asus Sabertooth 990FX R1 and im getting hotter temps than most people hits 50 at 4.5ghz 1.400v with the H100 so i do think there something wrong with this board
post #8765 of 67351
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Originally Posted by electech13 View Post

Curious if anyone here is pairing their 8350 CPU with an Asus Sabertooth 990FX R2.0?

I've read a bit about this board possibly running a bit hotter as the voltage may be going higher then what it is reporting... I had it on gigabyte UD3 board at 4.8-5Ghz 1.48-1.54v and easily kept under 52 degrees at full load...this hits 60 no prob at 4.2-4.5Ghz at a low 1.39v or less..very strange.
I still have yet to reseat the Corsair H100 and re-apply the thermal paste..hope that works.

But other issue I have is ram. Firstly what do most of you here like to run or oc your ram at? I've heard that anything at or above 2133 is hard on these AMD chips and most boards. I'm happy with 2000 to 2133. But I've used 6 different pairs of dimms now all rated at 2133 or 2400 and most don't work above 1600 or if they do..a lot of errors.. I've found one single pair of Gskill Snipers that are 2133 and work up to that level with no errors.

So basically, should I be happy with that and chalk it up to "finicky" board that is particular with ram or replace the board? And does it even matter to most of you to even run your ram above 1600?
Thanks

(I have tried post in Sabertooth thread first with little help yet)

What temperature are you going by with the Sabertooth? If you are using the Asus Suite, then the CPU Temp that's listed is actually the Socket temp, so it will be much higher than the Core Temp. You'll need a different Temp program if you want to see Core Temps.

These FX series CPU's are decent at running higher Ram speeds (2400-2600Mhz) but there isn't much performance scaling that high, except for synthetic benchmarks and such. The optimal speed is around 1600-1866Mhz. If you are running 4 DIMMS then you might have to use a bit higher CPU/NB voltage and possibly higher DRAM Voltage (The CPU is only rated at 1866Mhz running 2 stick in dual channel)

Other than that, just make sure that you have the proper timing and voltages set for those sticks, you should be able to run at whatever they are rated for.
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Originally Posted by electech13 View Post

Curious if anyone here is pairing their 8350 CPU with an Asus Sabertooth 990FX R2.0?

I've read a bit about this board possibly running a bit hotter as the voltage may be going higher then what it is reporting... I had it on gigabyte UD3 board at 4.8-5Ghz 1.48-1.54v and easily kept under 52 degrees at full load...this hits 60 no prob at 4.2-4.5Ghz at a low 1.39v or less..very strange.
I still have yet to reseat the Corsair H100 and re-apply the thermal paste..hope that works.

But other issue I have is ram. Firstly what do most of you here like to run or oc your ram at? I've heard that anything at or above 2133 is hard on these AMD chips and most boards. I'm happy with 2000 to 2133. But I've used 6 different pairs of dimms now all rated at 2133 or 2400 and most don't work above 1600 or if they do..a lot of errors.. I've found one single pair of Gskill Snipers that are 2133 and work up to that level with no errors.

So basically, should I be happy with that and chalk it up to "finicky" board that is particular with ram or replace the board? And does it even matter to most of you to even run your ram above 1600?
Thanks

(I have tried post in Sabertooth thread first with little help yet)

I am running the r2.0 with the 8350 with FSB 252 and multi 20 to hit 5.06. I get about 64c during stress testing but I am using a Raystorm RS240 in push pull with good static pressure. my core temp is higher than my socket.. apparently i have good airflow haha. My ram im using is 2x4GB of crucial ballistex ram rated 1866. I currently have them running at 2015 @ 9 9 9 24 timings 1t. I would say reseat the block and see if that helps,, if that doesn't then would you please post some OCCT run graphs maybe we can digest where the added heat is coming from

Also if you don't mind please update your rig specs as well that will help us determine whats going on.. one thing that I know is good airflow definitely helps. the colder you keep ambient inside the case the better
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Now that Crysis 3 is out in N america.. does anyone have 2 systems that are almost identical except one intel and one AMD? i would really like to see how the game performance stacks up in comparison of a 8350 to 3770 both OC'd as Crysis 3 uses all 8 cores
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Now that Crysis 3 is out in N america.. does anyone have 2 systems that are almost identical except one intel and one AMD? i would really like to see how the game performance stacks up in comparison of a 8350 to 3770 both OC'd as Crysis 3 uses all 8 cores
where did you find out that Crysis 3 uses all 8 cores?
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my personal experience lol All 8 cores shows 60% usage @5.06
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http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,768604/Crysis-2-Everything-about-DirectX-11-3D-without-perfomance-drop-and-8-core-optimization/News/

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