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Guys i FOLD, Game and Multitask. Sure i may not encode, but programs are using more threads then 4 now, games included.

I don't have the money for a i7, so wouldn't a 8350 or heck a 6300 be good as a Upgrade? I don't have $600 for a Intel build, i was hoping a $400 AMD would be fine. I even came here for some support. Oh well.... guess i might just hold onto my Q9550 a little longer.

Also, the PS3 has a 8 Core CPU, why can't a PS4 or 720 have it? The newer games need more power, i don't think a 1.6Ghz Quad will cut it...
 
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Guys i FOLD, Game and Multitask. Sure i may not encode, but programs are using more threads then 4 now, games included.

I don't have the money for a i7, so wouldn't a 8350 or heck a 6300 be good as a Upgrade? I don't have $600 for a Intel build, i was hoping a $400 AMD would be fine. I even came here for some support. Oh well.... guess i might just hold onto my Q9550 a little longer.

Also, the PS3 has a 8 Core CPU, why can't a PS4 or 720 have it? The newer games need more power, i don't think a 1.6Ghz Quad will cut it...

From what I've heard and 8300 can make ~50k in Linux, it gets beat pretty bad in Windows though. When I was running a 3770k in TC it barely averaged 30k if I was lucky with work units, and this was on Ubuntu with a custom Ivy kernel. Don't pay attention to the outlier guys that crank out 50-60k on them, they cherry pick servers to look better for the team. I just sold an i7 3930k and bought this FX CPU, and I notice zero difference in daily tasks or gaming. If I didn't look inside the box I really wouldn't know I made the change. Benchmarks are lower but I don't play those, I feel like I got a good deal with the CPU at $149 and the board at $149.
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I would like to know some temps (for comparison) for the FX-8320/ FX-8350 which are cooled using a custom loop.
I'm currently running my FX-8350 @4.8Ghz 1.488v on a 480mm rad with 8x AC F12 in push/pull @ ~900rpm and i get around 50-52c max temps when running IBT (used waterblock is Alphacool NexXxoS XP³ Light).

My temps are about the same as yours, I have two UT60 480mm radiators but low speed fans. Currently IBT loading around 54*C at 4.8ghz 1.464V.
Edited by Scorpion49 - 2/28/13 at 6:05am
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Ok guys, i've been quite the pain in the butt the past 2 days here, but one last question.

GB 970A UD3 (€73) vs GB 990XA UD3 (€89) if overclocking performance is important, money is important and CF/SLI isn't.
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Guys i FOLD, Game and Multitask. Sure i may not encode, but programs are using more threads then 4 now, games included.

I don't have the money for a i7, so wouldn't a 8350 or heck a 6300 be good as a Upgrade? I don't have $600 for a Intel build, i was hoping a $400 AMD would be fine. I even came here for some support. Oh well.... guess i might just hold onto my Q9550 a little longer.

Also, the PS3 has a 8 Core CPU, why can't a PS4 or 720 have it? The newer games need more power, i don't think a 1.6Ghz Quad will cut it...

The PS4 will have a Custom 8 Core Jaguar APU.

Folding: You can undervolt a FX 8350 to be a low power folding machine. A mild overclock (4.5Ghz) offers great performance with only a slight increase in power and heat.

Great for multitasking and gaming.
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Originally Posted by PimpSkyline View Post

Guys i FOLD, Game and Multitask. Sure i may not encode, but programs are using more threads then 4 now, games included.

I don't have the money for a i7, so wouldn't a 8350 or heck a 6300 be good as a Upgrade? I don't have $600 for a Intel build, i was hoping a $400 AMD would be fine. I even came here for some support. Oh well.... guess i might just hold onto my Q9550 a little longer.

Also, the PS3 has a 8 Core CPU, why can't a PS4 or 720 have it? The newer games need more power, i don't think a 1.6Ghz Quad will cut it...

I don't remember what the PS3 has but Sony announced in their live stream that PS4 is powered by an 8-core APU.

Folding it does alright. I'm glad for my 8-core though. I'm on the AMD GPU category and I need to reserve 2 cores to get the full potential out of my card. I'd pick 6 AMD cores folding over just 2 Intel cores any day.

Gaming debates ... meh. My argument is that while Intel does beat AMD in a lot of games at 720p... are you really going to notice the difference when they're both over 60 FPS minimum in higher resolutions with a decent graphic card anyways?

Prices... the general perception is that AMD beats Intel. But apparently you don't need a $250 board to overclock the Intel well? That's what I keep getting told... but I don't know for sure. I haven't gone the Intel route since Pentium I.
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Prices... the general perception is that AMD beats Intel. But apparently you don't need a $250 board to overclock them well?

Neither does intel, 4.8 for 24/7 folding on i5-3570k with 100$ board
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Guys i FOLD, Game and Multitask. Sure i may not encode, but programs are using more threads then 4 now, games included.

I don't have the money for a i7, so wouldn't a 8350 or heck a 6300 be good as a Upgrade? I don't have $600 for a Intel build, i was hoping a $400 AMD would be fine. I even came here for some support. Oh well.... guess i might just hold onto my Q9550 a little longer.

Also, the PS3 has a 8 Core CPU, why can't a PS4 or 720 have it? The newer games need more power, i don't think a 1.6Ghz Quad will cut it...

I'm pretty sure intel gets higher folding numbers, and is definitely king in most games. I don't know what you mean by multi-task, you sound like one of those dell salesman "it's got a great amd a4 cpu so you can multitask and have 2 tabs of internet explorer open!" Like that's not how multi-tasking works at all.... like an fx-8350 isn't going to out-multi-task an i5, that's just absurd. And it's not like a dinky pentium or athlon ii x2 can't multi-task.

Sorry, your comment just sounds so cheesy. It's like a commercial or something, i feel like im in circuit city. "Buy the brand new HP Celeron! Dual core so you can really multitask!". RAM is what you need for multi-tasking, i dont even.

i7 is not worth it for overwhelming majority of users, but the i5 is similarly priced to the 8350 while crushes it in games and single threaded applications and streaming, whereas the fx just marginally beats the i5 only in very specialized applications (and overclocking further makes the gap between fx and 8350 in such applications). If you have money for an 8350, you have money for the i5. Get the i5 for gaming/general usage, get 8350 for rendering and multi-threaded, non-gaming, non-streaming workloads.

Phenom ii x4 even beats the fx in some applications, for gaming the phenom x4 is just the same as the fx.
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Also, the PS3 has a 8 Core CPU, why can't a PS4 or 720 have it? The newer games need more power, i don't think a 1.6Ghz Quad will cut it...

It's not really accurate to call the cell cpu that the ps3 has as an 8 core. It would be like calling the fx 8350 an 8core, or less so really. You do realize that like, a 3ghz intel is not comparable to a 3 ghz amd is not comparable to a 3 ghz ps3 cpu right? They all have different architectures and designs and memory and threads and cores and floating point/integer points....

The PS3 is basically getting a revamp of the cell cpu they had, which is not an 8 core but more like 8 modules dedicated to different tasks rather than working together, and the 720 is totally unconfirmed but it seems like it will be similar, a low speed at ~2ghz cpu with a bunch of modules dedicated to different tasks, and the focus all on the GPU and efficiency rather than power.

Newer games don't really need much CPU power, it's mostly GPU. In that regard, the xbox 360 and ps3 were pretty good when they came out. The new ps4 is going to be another cell cpu where the cores are not really working together on a workload, they are independently dedicated to different tasks so in the end you got like a quadcore.

I can assure you that the CPUs on the new consoles are not going to be nearly as powerful as not just the i5, but the fx 8350 either.
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Prices... the general perception is that AMD beats Intel. But apparently you don't need a $250 board to overclock them well? That's what I keep getting told... but I don't know for sure. I haven't gone the Intel route since Pentium I.

AMD and Intel boards cost about the same over all. With AMD the VRM gets so hot that in the end you have to pay for an expensive board with a high quality VRM to get as reliable an overclock compared to an intel system. And then the new am3+ is kinda expensive, from what I looked at it seemed that amd is slightly more expensive than intel.

I paid $79 for my Z77X-UD5h, which is a slightly above range board. I paid $20 for my Z77A-G41 board which is a low end budget board. You can generally find high quality boards around $80-120 to overclock with.
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I have just ordered the fx8320 as found it at a bargain uk price. I will be replacing my fx8120@4.7 1.48 247 multi oc. What without reading the whole thread has been the major difference between the 8320/8350, are they definitely binned differently? From what i can see from the forums the vishera is pretty much on par for clocks@specific vcores that were relavent to the zambezi version also, is there any difference in the two with say the vcore wall as it were. For example my fx8120 can do up to round 4.4 on only 1.38 but to get 4.7 its a msssive jump to 1.48. I have never had it stable above 4.7. Benched at 4.9 but never bf3 stable or any stability test.

I have bought this new cpu, on its way in the post, to hopefully get some more out of my 7870 crossfire gpu setup. I only really play bf3 and even at 4.7 i see some horrid bottlenecks in the most cpu intense places, i still get great frames but my cards are not pushed like they should be. If the vishera hits 4.7 or above will i see better gpu utilisation?

Thanks
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Prices... the general perception is that AMD beats Intel. But apparently you don't need a $250 board to overclock them well?

Neither does intel, 4.8 for 24/7 folding on i5-3570k with 100$ board

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AMD and Intel boards cost about the same over all. With AMD the VRM gets so hot that in the end you have to pay for an expensive board with a high quality VRM to get as reliable an overclock compared to an intel system. And then the new am3+ is kinda expensive, from what I looked at it seemed that amd is slightly more expensive than intel.

I paid $79 for my Z77X-UD5h, which is a slightly above range board. I paid $20 for my Z77A-G41 board which is a low end budget board. You can generally find high quality boards around $80-120 to overclock with.

I have edited my post about the cost of motherboard. I was talking about Intel. You apparently don't need a flagship motherboard to overclock Intel which just does not make sense to me.
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Originally Posted by d1nky View Post

. A 8350 in a system is much more appealing to someone than a 6100. although you're right that no game is going to be octo utilised and its partly wasted money if you buy such when your intention is solely gaming.

There are already games that push 8 cores. Frostbite 2 based games like BF3 and most likely BF4, the latest NFS, Medal of Honor Warfighter and Cryengine 3 games , like Crysis 3 and most likely Star Citizen. Intel quads are solid as rock but the FX line looks increasingly relevant as time goes by.
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