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Sounds like your moniker is very appropo for the events you described. There will be a 2nd round of Vishera at the end of June. But the FX-8350 can be bought for as little as $180-185 at Newegg or Tiger Direct. What in hell caused the VRMS to explode on a Crosshair V motherboard??? Very unusual.
Edited by os2wiz - 3/11/13 at 1:39pm
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Sounds like your moniker is very appropo for the events you described. There will be a 2nd round of Vishera at the end of June. But the FX-8350 can be bought for as little as $180-185 at Newegg or Tiger Direct. What in hell caused the VRMS to explode on a Crosshair V motherboard??? Very unusual.

It is unusual for quality motherboard to end up like that, but if you dig deep into the question, you will find out the 8 core Piledrivers draw more power and in reality must be higher TDP than the Phenoms. Already socket AM3+ was modified compared to AM3 to give more current, to match the higher draw. TDP seems higher too, as more and more people resort to water cooling. With overclocking, the VRMs of most board must be suffering. Without proper airflow in the area, one shouldn't be surprised if even good ones fail.

I 've heard too about a revision of Piledriver supposedly coming at summer, don't know if true. Otherwise i will wait for Steamroller. I am not going to Intel if i can help it and the Thuban is good enough to allow to wait.

Interesting reads:

http://hw-lab.com/asrock-socket-am3-motherboards-preview.html

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2289809

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34588633&postcount=24
Edited by Undervolter - 3/11/13 at 1:52pm
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It is unusual for quality motherboard to end up like that, but if you dig deep into the question, you will find out the 8 core Piledrivers draw more power and in reality must be higher TDP than the Phenoms. Already socket AM3+ was modified compared to AM3 to give more current, to match the higher draw. TDP seems higher too, as more and more people resort to water cooling. With overclocking, the VRMs of most board must be suffering. Without proper airflow in the area, one shouldn't be surprised if even good ones fail.

I 've heard too about a revision of Piledriver supposedly coming at summer, don't know if true. Otherwise i will wait for Steamroller. I am not going to Intel if i can help it and the Thuban is good enough to allow to wait.

Interesting reads:

http://hw-lab.com/asrock-socket-am3-motherboards-preview.html

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2289809

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34588633&postcount=24

You will be ok waiting. I am thinking that PD 2.0 that is rumored this summer will be some minor tweaks to get more clock speed. Realistically if AMD can release PD 2.0 with 10% clock speed increase the rumored difference between Haswell and AMD FX will not change.

Maybe we will see an FX 8370 that is stock 4.4ghz with 4.6ghz turbo released a little before Haswell so the reviews have Haswell vs PD 2.0 and the clock speed can make AMD look better.

Given how AMD has been executing in the gaming world (Tomb Raider, consoles, Steambox), I wouldn't be surprised if AMD actually had the ability to execute something like that.

AMD has definitely changed looking at how things have been going for Nvidia. Rory Read is doing great things for the company and now that Hector Ruiz is gone AMD has hope. Not to mention Jim Keller.
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You will be ok waiting. I am thinking that PD 2.0 that is rumored this summer will be some minor tweaks to get more clock speed. Realistically if AMD can release PD 2.0 with 10% clock speed increase the rumored difference between Haswell and AMD FX will not change.

Maybe we will see an FX 8370 that is stock 4.4ghz with 4.6ghz turbo released a little before Haswell so the reviews have Haswell vs PD 2.0 and the clock speed can make AMD look better.

Given how AMD has been executing in the gaming world (Tomb Raider, consoles, Steambox), I wouldn't be surprised if AMD actually had the ability to execute something like that.

AMD has definitely changed looking at how things have been going for Nvidia. Rory Read is doing great things for the company and now that Hector Ruiz is gone AMD has hope. Not to mention Jim Keller.

Well, for me, i 'd prefer a 95W fx-8320. biggrin.gif I 'd be perfectly happy with it. There is supposed to be out an FX-8300 95W, but i am in Europe and the only ones you see are in HP OEM PCs and it's a bit behind the 1090T at single thread performance. So it becomes an upgrade of uncertain value. I am pretty much convinced the current 125W don't fit my requisites. I am curious to see what come out in summer. If i see a 95W i will seriously consider it, else, i will wait for Steamroller.

I am not greedy, i don't even really care about Intel beating AMD. I am loyal AMD customer and just want to decent upgrade to the 1090T, without extra heat or power consumption. I hope AMD is finding its way now with Piledriver.
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I bought a referbished board from newegg and running stock with a fx 8150 even had fans on the vrm's. Still blew up. Asus is rma'ing the board. Considering I had a spare it just cost me a CPU and post. But if there's more fx CPU refresh in June it a plus. Its just an excuse to give the wife to spend more money on another part. biggrin.gif
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Sounds like your moniker is very appropo for the events you described. There will be a 2nd round of Vishera at the end of June. But the FX-8350 can be bought for as little as $180-185 at Newegg or Tiger Direct. What in hell caused the VRMS to explode on a Crosshair V motherboard??? Very unusual.

It is unusual for quality motherboard to end up like that, but if you dig deep into the question, you will find out the 8 core Piledrivers draw more power and in reality must be higher TDP than the Phenoms. Already socket AM3+ was modified compared to AM3 to give more current, to match the higher draw. TDP seems higher too, as more and more people resort to water cooling. With overclocking, the VRMs of most board must be suffering. Without proper airflow in the area, one shouldn't be surprised if even good ones fail.

I 've heard too about a revision of Piledriver supposedly coming at summer, don't know if true. Otherwise i will wait for Steamroller. I am not going to Intel if i can help it and the Thuban is good enough to allow to wait.

Interesting reads:

http://hw-lab.com/asrock-socket-am3-motherboards-preview.html

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2289809

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34588633&postcount=24

You need to learn a lot more about the motherboard in question if you think a CH-V will blow up from something as light as water overclocking. And the only reason more people are moving to water is for the 4.8Ghz+ area, not because they need it, and frankly once you got Thuban and Deneb over 4.2ish, they need water as well. A GA-990FXA-UD3 is capable of 400 amps. The Crosshair-V is capable of a lot more then that. There is no "suffering". These are not cheapo Intel-made OEM motherboards with weak 3+1 phase and no cooling.

Defective board, plain and simple.

And 125w TDP is 125wTDP, if you think AMD is hiding something and it's actually higher, you're wrong, because the FCC would be on them about it faster then you could sneeze.
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Piledriver/Pd2.0/AMD talk:
I'm also a loyal AMD customer. as I said earlier today:
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[6:12:59 PM] Tarnix: They may say what they want, AMD may not make the most powerful chips on the planet, but they're ******* brilliant.
[6:13:06 PM] Tarnix: they just need MOAR FUNDZ.

Also, Piledriver 2.0 is rumored/due to June 2013. Steamroller is due to late 2013 and Excavator is due to late 2014.

@above:

The Crosshair V Formula-Z (CH5) is a good board as long as you learn it's quirks; Horribad "Auto" settings (that just gets worse at every "Improved stability" changelog entry), occasional boot order derpery, broken hybrid shutdown, some RAM and FSB multipliers refuses to play nice, and a VRM that heats like an oven. The board is very solid, and it's an overclocking-centered board. ASUS assumed that not a lot of people paying 250$ for a ROG board will use auto settings and when the VRM gets above 60C, you should be running water anyway. FWIW, my VRM runs between 50 and 70C at 4.6GHz on the CPU, no WC aside a corsair H80. That's not exactly stellar, but it's far from "zomg exploding".

How could it blow? Day-long IBT at 4.9Ghz on air with no ventilation on the VRM part in a hot room in Texas on a steamy day. And even then... I vote for defect.
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went to Micro center and got a brand new FX 8350 with all seals intact and guess what it did not have thermal paste on it. biggrin.gif
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went to Micro center and got a brand new FX 8350 with all seals intact and guess what it did not have thermal paste on it. biggrin.gif
Good deal, i hope you have good experience with this one smile.gif
 
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Good deal, i hope you have good experience with this one smile.gif
They tried to tell me it was brand new... i was like please explain to me how a "Brand New" CPU can have thermal paste on it and signs of use? after a few exchanges with costumer service i got my new one =D
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Intel 4790K ASUS MAXIMUS VII HERO LGA 1150 HIS H290XF4GD Radeon R9 290X 4GB GDDR5 HDCP Rea... HIS H290XF4GD Radeon R9 290X 4GB GDDR5 HDCP Rea... 
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NZXT RL-KRG10-B1 Sleeve Kraken G10 GPU Bracket NZXT RL-KRG10-B1 Sleeve Kraken G10 GPU Bracket Crucial Ballistix 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 S... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item... 
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Intel Solid State drive 750 Series PCIe Samsung Corsair H100 Corsair H90 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
Corsair H90 Windows 7 pro 64bit ASUS PB287Q Black 28" 4K UHD 1ms 10-bit HDMI Wi... ASUS PB287Q Black 28" 4K UHD 1ms 10-bit HDMI Wi... 
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ASUS PB287Q Black 28" 4K UHD 1ms 10-bit HDMI Wi... Logitech G550 ENERMAX Platimax EPM1350EWT 1350W ATX12V / EPS1... Graphite Series™ 760T Full-Tower Windowed Case 
MouseAudio
LOGITECH G502 Proteus Core Tunable Gaming Mouse Sound Blaster Zx 
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Intel Core i5 3470 3.2GHz LGA 1155 Boxed Processor ASRock Z77 Pro4 LGA 1155 ATX Intel Motherboard  Gigabyte GV-N650OC-2GI NVIDIA GeForce GTX 650 H... Kingston HyperX blu 8GB DDR3-1600 PC3-12800) CL9 D 
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Western Digital Scorpio Black 500GB SATA 3.0Gb/s CORSAIR CX Series CX750 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SL... Crafted Series Phantom 410 Mid Tower ATX Comput... 
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Intel 4790K ASUS MAXIMUS VII HERO LGA 1150 HIS H290XF4GD Radeon R9 290X 4GB GDDR5 HDCP Rea... HIS H290XF4GD Radeon R9 290X 4GB GDDR5 HDCP Rea... 
GraphicsGraphicsRAMHard Drive
NZXT RL-KRG10-B1 Sleeve Kraken G10 GPU Bracket NZXT RL-KRG10-B1 Sleeve Kraken G10 GPU Bracket Crucial Ballistix 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 S... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item... 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingCooling
Intel Solid State drive 750 Series PCIe Samsung Corsair H100 Corsair H90 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
Corsair H90 Windows 7 pro 64bit ASUS PB287Q Black 28" 4K UHD 1ms 10-bit HDMI Wi... ASUS PB287Q Black 28" 4K UHD 1ms 10-bit HDMI Wi... 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
ASUS PB287Q Black 28" 4K UHD 1ms 10-bit HDMI Wi... Logitech G550 ENERMAX Platimax EPM1350EWT 1350W ATX12V / EPS1... Graphite Series™ 760T Full-Tower Windowed Case 
MouseAudio
LOGITECH G502 Proteus Core Tunable Gaming Mouse Sound Blaster Zx 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5 3470 3.2GHz LGA 1155 Boxed Processor ASRock Z77 Pro4 LGA 1155 ATX Intel Motherboard  Gigabyte GV-N650OC-2GI NVIDIA GeForce GTX 650 H... Kingston HyperX blu 8GB DDR3-1600 PC3-12800) CL9 D 
Hard DrivePowerCase
Western Digital Scorpio Black 500GB SATA 3.0Gb/s CORSAIR CX Series CX750 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SL... Crafted Series Phantom 410 Mid Tower ATX Comput... 
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