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I RMA'd the other chip back to NewEgg not AMD. I simply told them the VID was much too high for a 8350 and that was unacceptable to me as this is a top tier chip. I only had the older chip for a couple hours before I shipped it back to them.

As of now I love the new chip with my new H220. 4.725 @ 50c and tight as can be memory makes for one SUPER snappy system. I'm not only impressed, but will be building another system for the wife.

As far as IBT goes. Memory speed and timings has a great deal to do with the GFLOPS. Almost everything else effects the score as well. Some of what I've found with this FX chip that keep the general scores high in all benchmarks are:

Memory multi: 8 is the absolute best. regardless of speed, using the 8 multi has proven the most stable and speedy.

Memory speed vs timings : I'm currently running 1800 (225 x 8) @ 8.8.8.24.33 1t. This speed is MUCH faster than 2100 @ cl10or anything in cl9 area. I've noticed timing is still particually important to these AMD chips. As long as its = or > 1600, tighten the timings as much as possible.

Voltage: I can drop my IBT GFLOPS by 10 just by bumping my CPU voltage to 1.55v. (same clocks) Keeping voltage as low as you can for your clock makes a HUGE difference.

Too much clock: My chip performs MUCH better @ 4.7 than it does @ 4.8 -4.9 regardless of voltage. This is more than likely a motherboard / cpu combination issue as I don't have LLC as well as other things... so YMMV with any setup... but finding your combo's preferred clock home is key.

Thanks for this info! Just what I was looking for. Glad to hear your RMA'd chip is now good to go.. what is the stock VID on this new one btw? (is it less then 1.32v?)

As for all the IBT AVX factors.. thats good to know.. as for the higher voltages..yeah, I had recently seen and found out that there is definitely a wall or a line, that when crossed, the performance will DROP significantly!.. as with the clock.. I'm fairly lucky as my 4.8Ghz (my normal daily) works great...yet at 4.9Ghz it drops..BUT at 5.0 and just under 5.1Ghz, it still increases.. its a very delicate balance of finding the exact proper voltages, clocks and timings though.. cuz it is true, these chips are extremely POWER HUNGRY once you go for 5.0GHz+!

I didn't know that the ram timings were so important though.. I have run other types of benchmarking and stress testing and when running my mem at 2133 and 2400Mhz, i get better scores and performance even though the timing aren't the greatest.. I do know however that these AMD IMC's are very picky at times and sensitive to certain settings and timings... so i'll give it a try at 1600 or so with some tighter timings and see what happens.. the dimm's currently in this are CL11's@2400..so not sure how low I have to go to run at 8's.. but I have a pair of 10's and 9's that I know I could get nice and low if needed..will have to play around with it.. some more! LOL!.... wow, the time that is spent doing all this stuff...crazy eh!

Last question.. I noticed your core clock setup and that you're using the increased bus to hit your level (225 as opposed to stock 200 and 21 multi).. I've always typically have been a believer that when comparing same oc to same oc, that one done via higher bus *should* always perform and benchmark higher then one done via a simple multiplier increase.. but on these new FX chips and on these boards.. i'm not quite sure yet.. what are you noticing? 4.7Ghz via the 225 works better then the 4.7Ghz via 200x23.5?
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ok so these cards pretty much boost to their max clock at default anyway... 1215 is where they run, and its also as far as I can push them manually... sooo I'm very happy with them...


Am I seeing this correctly? You're running a GTX660 AND a 430 together in SLI.. is that right? or am i just midunderstanding the info in that screenshot? I've never seen different GPU's run in SLI/CF before..
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Maxxmem is so wonky. Not sure I would trust it too much. Check out the latency score for my 1045T rig. rolleyes.gif

Yeah, Maxxmem can be a bit "wonky" at times..and all over the place as well..but generally is decent to give basic info if run at first boot with little else running.. as for the latencies..those are fine..i have seen that low myself..keep in mind you are running rather low timings there..that is likely the reason for the lower latencies..
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Ok, I'm definitely having some problems overclocking, more than I stated before tongue.gif

Following this guide: http://www.overclock.net/t/1348623/amd-bulldozer-and-piledriver-overclocking-guide-asus-motherboard

I obtained that my default voltage when set to auto was 1.404v. So I then entered that as the manual voltage (which actually goes to 1.406 something automatically because it's in steps), then set FSB to 200, and increased the multiplier. I set it to 21 and it passed successfully, however. anything beyond that seems to be unstable. DIGI power settings are exactly set as the guide recommends. So I'm assuming this is my max overclock at stock voltage.



Here's the big problem though, even if I continue to follow the guides recommendations and up the voltage as I increase the multiplier to continue overclocking, my ram is defaulting to 1333 when set to the guides auto setting. That is NOT what it's rated at all, as my ram is rated at 1866 and was always ran at 1866 before I redid my bios settings per the guides recommendations.

If I up the ram to 1866, my overclock settings "fail" at boot and I get no video until I reboot again, then I'm displayed with an error message that "user overclock failed!" or something similar. I'm not sure why it fails to display video after it reboots the first time ? This message is pretty common when messing with a bunch of different voltages, such as NB, VDDA, CPU/NB and all setting them manually, while increasing the multipler and CPU voltage.

I'm not sure how to overclock properly. I want my ram to run at 1866, not 1333. There is a noticeable difference in windows between the two. I also usually run 9-10-9-29 as my timings, instead of using auto. Those are my XMP-1866 settings (9-10-9-29-37 as 2T) in the timings table in CPU-Z. It also lists 9-11-9-29-37 as 1T for XMP-1866. I'm not sure which one is better. Ram timings aren't anything I'm super knowledgeable at. Also, I only go as far as to set 9-10-9-29, and don't set the tRC. not sure if it's that important. I do run the voltage it recommends, 1.5v.

Without going into great depth on all of this.. as I've gone through much of the same in the past...keep in mind that basically ALL ram, even though RATED for 1866-2000-2133-2400,etc is actually just 1600Mhz (or sometimes even 1333Mhz) ram that has been tested and "rated" to run at those higher clocks. The "SPD" settings or "AUTO" will almost always go to that STOCK (lower) clock of either 1333 or 1600.. and to run at the rated (higher) clocks you have to manually configure the ram to those settings or simply use of of the XMP profiles from within the bios.. I've typically gone with the easier XMP profiles within the bios..and have yet to see one not work!.. now just simply selecting a higher clock via "memore frequency" within the bios will likely FAIL.. as that is just the clock and not the other factors as in the timing, voltages, etc.. What I did in past was to use one of my 2133/2400 profiles first..boot and test..worked fine and then copied EVERY setting, timing,etc..so that I could input those same settings under my MANUAL OC's within the bios when oc'ing the whole system.. and that always worked fine..

As for the timing.. 1T is always better then 2T BUT there are many dimm's out there that aren't as stable at 1T and keep in mind that the IMC on these AMD chips/boards often have issues at 1T.. so it is "recommended" to always use the 2T setting.. I usually do but have seen many use the 1T as well..but when going for the higher clocks it's almost always necessary to use 2T.
As the clocks get higher on the ram, the timings do too (get slower or more latent).. so it's a bit of a toss up..it ultimately depends on what you need.. gaming usually requires higher clock speed but other tasks require better timings..find what works for you..

But ultimately, if you want to run at 1866Mhz then I would definitely try to use one of the profiles FIRST via the bios to get it working, then go from there..and remember that "AUTO" will always run at the SPD settings which will be the slower clock..
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Am I seeing this correctly? You're running a GTX660 AND a 430 together in SLI.. is that right? or am i just midunderstanding the info in that screenshot? I've never seen different GPU's run in SLI/CF before..

He has 660 SLI and probably an extra card for PhysX/aux displays. Valley is crap at detecting hardware. You've never seen it because it doesn't work on Nvidia GPU's, AMD can crossfire within the same series though not the exact same model (i.e. 7950 with 7970, etc).
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OK collaboration time, I have the CPU fully stable at 4.6GHz AND was able to enable cool "n" quiet. Issue is that when I play games with cool n quiet enabled, they play in slow motion ....not laggy ....like slow motion its very weird, take cool n quiet off and its all set again.

I found some relevant articles Google searching but aside from switching the power management options in BIOS or in windows anyone know a way to make this work? can i disable it via the game or have the game not recognize it by editing a .dll file or something?

I would like to just have it on and not have to worry about it, but an easy way to turn in on/off would be manageable.

Edit: I now realize this is an algorithm based error with cool'n'quiet running on the overclocked cpu. I have disabled it.
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Bad seating or too much/little thermal paste is my guess mate. thats a whole lot of temp for idle @4.5

36 C at idle is high? The temps in the screenshot are not idle temps. Those are stress temps, just taken like 1 second after IBT finished so core temps dropped a little.

I appreciate the other responses. I have my ram set with correct timings at 1866. I am aware that the ram is really 1333 but can safely run at 1866 due to manufacturer comments about the ram.

It seems my current over clock is doing well so I'm gonna keep going from what I have. Just not sure about my load socket temp.
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I wish the AMD side had some decent 990FX mATX boards. Really makes me mad that we have barely anything to choose from. I really want a mATX build but AM3+ has nothing worthwhile... FM2 has better motherbaord options than AM3+!! mad.gif
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OK I added my rig to my sig and now looking for advice on overclocking it smile.gif

Never overclocked before so be gentle with me.

Also, how does one become an official member of this club?

Paladine

Grab the sig stuff from the bottom of the OP if you want it, and submit your info (also in the OP) after you find what's stable for you.

Otherwise, you own one, you're in.
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OK I added my rig to my sig and now looking for advice on overclocking it smile.gif

Never overclocked before so be gentle with me.

Also, how does one become an official member of this club?

Paladine

op is opening post in case you dont use forums much.

welcome!

and no problem that is why we are here to help people learn.!!!
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Originally Posted by hatrix216 View Post

36 C at idle is high? The temps in the screenshot are not idle temps. Those are stress temps, just taken like 1 second after IBT finished so core temps dropped a little.

I appreciate the other responses. I have my ram set with correct timings at 1866. I am aware that the ram is really 1333 but can safely run at 1866 due to manufacturer comments about the ram.

It seems my current over clock is doing well so I'm gonna keep going from what I have. Just not sure about my load socket temp.

Actually, my idle temps are 33 C socket and 25 C core. I know that temps are inaccurate when they are low, but those temps are still perfectly fine from what I know and are in know way high.

My H100i is seated fine.

These are my temps under load while running IBT. This is actually at 4.6, same voltage and I passed this time ! I'm going to keep going, see how high I can get.


Edited by hatrix216 - 3/12/13 at 1:42pm
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