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Hey guys. I've been following the Piledriver benchmarks thread carefully and I've decided to upgrade my Phenom II X4 830 to either the FX-4300 or 6300. It's sitting on an AM3+ motherboard, which is why I haven't just made the switch to Intel. Reading numerous reviews has left me confused on which CPU to choose, however. Which route should I take for better performance in modern games? I mainly play a FPS called Natural Selection 2, which is very CPU-dependent. I don't plan to do video/3D editing, so I've narrowed my choice down to either a 4 or 6-core.

I'm not an avid overclocker, although I've managed to successfully OC my Phenom II from 2.8 to 3.8 GHz. Due to my inexperience with component specifics, I lack the knowledge to make a firm decision on which CPU to choose. A user on another forum, mmorpg.com, suggests buying the 6300 over the 4300 for these reasons:
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AMD is launching the six-core FX-6300 at $132, which is only $10 more than the four-core FX-4300. Six cores at 3.5 GHz with 4.1 GHz turbo should mean you can readily overclock to 4 GHz or so if so inclined. That could make it a nifty purchase for people looking to assemble a new gaming system on a budget. While you don't actually need six cores for gaming, the shared-scheduler architecture means that you can really only half of the cores at a time at full speed, and three cores is definitely better than two. The FX-6300 also has double the L3 cache of the FX-4300.

The better choice seems to be the 6300. This review by AnandTech states anywhere between a 1 to 11 FPS difference across multiple games. The gains seem minimal and I guess it would be nice to have two more cores for general multitasking and whatnot.

My main question concerns the core speeds of the two. The 4300 is 3.8 GHz stock, while the 6300 is 3.5 GHz. Since the 4300 has a slightly higher frequency, I assume that it can be overclocked higher than the 6300. But is this a moot point since the 6300 performs slightly better than the former at stock speeds anyway due to additional cores, higher L3 cache, etc?

Am I overthinking this and just buy the FX-6300? biggrin.gif I admit I'm drooling at the gains compared to my old, yet trusty, Deneb.
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In my opinion I would stick with your 830 till the next round if you are planning on sticking with AMD. I do agree that vishera took them up a notch, but in gaming performance I saw nothing that would push you to need to upgrade your CPU, especially with the nice clock you were able to achieve.

If you are just gaming no it isn't worth it. If you are doing some serious multithreaded tasks then hell yeah it is worth it. For you though, as I said, stick with your 830 @ 3.8ghz and wait till the next round.

Just my two cents.
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6300 looks good,,,8350 looks even better
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Yes. If Vishera's gains convinced me to jump off the Thuban bandwagon, you shouldn't be far behind. wink.gif
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Yes. If Vishera's gains convinced me to jump off the Thuban bandwagon, you shouldn't be far behind. wink.gif
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hey would the fx 4320 be an good upgrade from a amd phemon x4 840 @3.7
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More importantly, what GPU are you running? Surely this money would be better spent on a powerful GPU, rather than replacing a more than capable OC'd Phenom II.
 
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well im getting a hd 7850 soon
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well im getting a hd 7850 soon

Absolutely no need to upgrade your cpu for a 7850. Grab the 7850 and wait till next round.
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yea thts what im doing
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