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Forget about the terrorists/pedophiles etc that use P2P to mask what they're actually doing...Yeah, that's okay, too isn't it?
Let's support known terrorist networks because we're anti-censorship so, when they blow up an entire building full of people, that was absolutely okay when something could have prevented that.
You guys seem to forget that this isn't entirely about piracy...There's an incredible amount of "black market" content that hinges on the back-ends of P2P servers...That's part of the reason they're hitting Pirate Bay so hard...Pirate Bay users have been "caught" with confidential military blueprints...In fact, there's a large debate currently over how much stolen US tech is currently being built into China's AC...But, that's okay too, I guess.
Obviously, many of you condone confidential documents leaking to China etc...Why not just give them our ICBM's since the plans are already on Pirate Bay...Or we could go a step further and just hand them to the terrorists...I mean, that's okay too amiright?
My point is simple...Many of you see this as evil/bad because on the face of it, it is censorship but, how do you know there isn't legitimacy behind that facade?
Lol. you cray cray. You seen to forget that this isn't about "terrorists and pedophiles", it's about money and greedy twats wanting more of it. This is censorship, that is bad, and no intelligent person would say "oh it's for safety" blah blah blah... just ask my man (announcer voice) B. FRANKLIN!!!!!! "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
If China has recieved dox from our mil, maybe the mil should take responsibility and plug the holes. If that's impossible, then live with it.
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So, long-term, how do you expect to torrent when the entire system will be aimed at shutting the individual down?

That's the root problem from all of this. You and those who apparently support all of this in the name of 'protecting us from the REAL bad guys'... plan on doing this buy making torrenting itself illegal? What sort of roundabout nonsensicle resolution is that?
"TORRENTING MAKES THE TERRORISTS MORE DANGEROUS!!"... that's what I'm hearing... but interestingly enough, the supporters of these bills aren't governmental agencies or national security supporters... but entertainment industry committess and divisions. Like I've been saying, it's all crying wolf in the name of stopping music downloading.

Not that I mentioned cutting out the ISP or functioning without them... but the ISP is just a face for a GSP... so yes, we can do without these ISPs if we routed directly through the GSPs. AT&T. MCI, Sprint Net all are GSPs. Not likely, but not impossible. If we got rid of them, we could still use their backbones, but new organizations who would be the same thing would spring up... it's all about the implementation.

Don't regulate the source since the source isn't there for illegal purposes. Anything can be exploited for an illegal purpose. The roads are daily. As are kitchen knives. Heck, I'll take my keyboard and bludgeon someone with it... bam, keyboard is now a deadly weapon. Regulate the end result... unsafe activities on roads. Attacking with kitchen knives (ie assault/murder). Using the internet to actually damage something/someone. Bludgeon someone with a keyboard (ie... assault). Or, we could take these bills form of logic and ban knives, close roads, and take away our keyboards. Remove the ability to abuse (ex: free choice) and the issues resolve themselves. Too bad... it was a nice world.

If only I could join the dolphins... "So long and thanks for all the fish!" wave2.gif
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This ^
I see it as being perfectly reasonable, from their end, to start saying... well the average consumer has no need of these P2P related protocols... so we'll lock them to a $200/mo business class plan. Yeah, that would go over well... not that the ISP would care about the consumer backlash... they'd just go with the fallback, "You must like and support this or the terrorist.. er, pirates win."

Forget about the terrorists/pedophiles etc that use P2P to mask what they're actually doing...Yeah, that's okay, too isn't it?

Let's support known terrorist networks because we're anti-censorship so, when they blow up an entire building full of people, that was absolutely okay when something could have prevented that.

You guys seem to forget that this isn't entirely about piracy...There's an incredible amount of "black market" content that hinges on the back-ends of P2P servers...That's part of the reason they're hitting Pirate Bay so hard...Pirate Bay users have been "caught" with confidential military blueprints...In fact, there's a large debate currently over how much stolen US tech is currently being built into China's AC...But, that's okay too, I guess.

Obviously, many of you condone confidential documents leaking to China etc...Why not just give them our ICBM's since the plans are already on Pirate Bay...Or we could go a step further and just hand them to the terrorists...I mean, that's okay too amiright?

My point is simple...Many of you see this as evil/bad because on the face of it, it is censorship but, how do you know there isn't legitimacy behind that facade?
Dude you know what would be super effective? Shut down all internet access, close down all telecomunications, and block all border crossings. That way homeland tech is always secure problem solved. thumb.gif oh the legitimate citizens? we can forget about them its all about homeland security.
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yea, ponographic industry
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Mega(upload). Don't ask Don't tell.
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I heard when they block these sites it causes retail theft to go up 50% tongue.gif
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I heard when they block these sites it causes retail theft to go up 50% tongue.gif

Well atleast you won't get such rediculous punishment for that as you get for downloading it.
    
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Forget about the terrorists/pedophiles etc that use P2P to mask what they're actually doing...Yeah, that's okay, too isn't it?
Let's support known terrorist networks because we're anti-censorship so, when they blow up an entire building full of people, that was absolutely okay when something could have prevented that.
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Obviously, many of you condone confidential documents leaking to China etc...Why not just give them our ICBM's since the plans are already on Pirate Bay...Or we could go a step further and just hand them to the terrorists...I mean, that's okay too amiright?
My point is simple...Many of you see this as evil/bad because on the face of it, it is censorship but, how do you know there isn't legitimacy behind that facade?

Because it's not being pushed by people who give a crap about terrorism.
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My point is simple...Many of you see this as evil/bad because on the face of it, it is censorship but, how do you know there isn't legitimacy behind that facade?

Burden of proof. We the People (in the US and beyond) have forgotten to hold our legislators responsible for bearing the burden of proof in making laws that may restrict our activities.
    
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No one should be able to block a website without a court order. These groups and corporations should not have the power to determine which sites people can and can not visit, that is for society to decide through legislative means.
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