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I've got my hands on a 3870K and I'm about to have some fun with it!!

Nothing groundbreaking but I just ordered a Gigabyte GA-A75M-S2V to fiddle with it a little bit.

I just want to get the most graphical performance out of it by overclocking the GPU portion of the APU.

I know that it can do cross fire with amd cards and I wanted to do just that with a budget oriented gpu. What do you guys recommend? I want to roughly increase the GPU power by 80-100% by pairing it with a decent enough card.
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May want to add some VRM cooling first!

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I will do that but what card should i pair the iGPU with?
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I will do that but what card should i pair the iGPU with?

6670 or 6570
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I assume 6770 is not suitable?
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6770 won't do dual graphics.

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The GPU performance of the APU's increases substantially when you get quicker ram.
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Achieving the best possible bandwidth, and the highest possible memory clocks, are far from the same endeavors. I see bench-marking sites pointing to increases in GPU performance on these APUs by increasing memory clock speed, but if you do the math, it's obvious that there are a lot of wasted cycles on the bus. We KNOW that the memory BANDWIDTH is the primary bottleneck going on here. Don't just shoot for the highest possible clock speeds on that memory. Download a memory bandwidth bench-marking tool and go to work. Find out where that memory controller actually gives you the best bandwidth.

To put into perspective what I am trying to convey here... Tomshardware Sandra 2012 SP4c Pro benches for memory bandwidth put a llano 3850 on DDR1866 at about 17GB/s. There are a ton of examples of dual channel chips flanking that performance on 1333 speed memory. The theoretical bandwidth peak of 1866 speed memory, is something like 30GB/s. Obviously, there is a lot of "room" to grow the GPU performance just in memory bandwidth WITHIN reasonable speeds if you can find the clock/timing configuration that results in the best real world bandwidth.

At the end of the day, it's going to be the effective bandwidth that makes the difference for the integrated GPU, not the clock rate. Finding the absolute peak bandwidth, will be a process of trial an error and is probably something nobody has bothered exploring and sharing the results of for APUs because, well, it's not considered an "enthusiast" platform. Get some RAM that has a ton of headroom for potential clock/timings/etc, so that you can dial in the limits of the IMC. My suggestion would be the 1.25V 2x4GB G.skill sniper kit, on newegg currently priced $40, or the Samsung 30nm "WondeRam" for $36.
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post #9 of 46
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Yes, well before people started talking about memory, I already planned to overclock it as I knew from benchmarks that more memory bandwidth = more GPU performance, both on APUs and Intel HD Graphics. I therefore bought a pair of 30nm Samsung sticks to take it to 11. My Lan rig has 8 gigs of the same stuff that's running at 2200 MHz with 9-10-11-14-1T timings so I'm confident that I should gain a sizable boost out of the kit I have. Fingers crossed.

PS: I ordered a Gigabyte HD 6670 yesterday. I looked around a bit and this version had the memory running @ 1600 MHz instead of the more common 1333 so it should perform slightly better. 64 bucks with a 20 dolar MIR.

So here are the parts:

GA-A75M-S2V - $60
Gigabyte Radeon HD 6670 - $44 after Rebate
A8 3870K - $105 (I got it for free)
Samsung 8 GB (2 * 4GB) - $37
Crucial M4 64 GB - $70
APEX TX-381-C - $33

Total Cost: 349

Let's see how much performance we can get out of this bundle. Should be unbeatable for the price.
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post #10 of 46
Hi,
I just wanted to mention that u might wanna increase u re NB frequency. I have 3670k and besides memory, increasing NB freq. gave me slight boost about 5% in games and 3d mark tests. It does not affect any CPU benches as far as i noticed but does improve frame rate and memory tests. Not sure if it has same effect on 3870k but it migh be worth a try. Here are few pics.

with nb oc

without


and 3dmark with nb freq. oc

3d mark without nb freq. oc


Idk if it will work the same for 3870k that u have my results are from 3670k so u might already have nb runining at higher freq. Try it and let us know if t makes any difference.
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