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It's capitalism, you should know better. Why would they charge less when they're already selling so many they can't keep up with demand? Simple supply and demand, basic economics.
Besides, how many consumers care about gross profit margins of the products they're purchasing? There is only one thing that matters for a consumer, and that's the price they're paying and the quality they're getting.

I know its capitalism, but it's well known that if the price goes down, demand goes up. It's a balancing act. If they brought down the price slightly, they'd be able to grab the people who go with other phones based on price point. While that may only be a slight drop in price, it would be a pretty large increase in demand - they'd actually make more money.
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Are you actually calling out a company because they are trying to make MONEY? THE SHAME OF IT.
He's trying to show how much cheaper apple COULD retail the iphone at. They don't have to stick their prices sky high and therefore get more people buying and making, arguably, greater profit. It's just their greed and what they are associated with which can justify the massive price difference.
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I know its capitalism, but it's well known that if the price goes down, demand goes up. It's a balancing act. If they brought down the price slightly, they'd be able to grab the people who go with other phones based on price point. While that may only be a slight drop in price, it would be a pretty large increase in demand - they'd actually make more money.

Apple know how to run a business. Hence why they have more money than some countries. I think they know where their best supply/demand/profit prices are.
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He's trying to show how much cheaper apple COULD retail the iphone at. They don't have to stick their prices sky high and therefore get more people buying and making, arguably, greater profit. It's just their greed and what they are associated with which can justify the massive price difference.

And as I said earlier ,they have a brand to maintain. Making a cheap phone would totally ruin the brand, as would making cheap notebooks.

They know where their best price points are for the sake of their brand and their profit, which is why they're making a ridiculous amount of money right now.
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As some one mentioned previously, Apple has suddenly released MANY products in a very short space of time. The iPhone 5, the Ipod touch and nano, ipad mini, mac mini, imac, mac 13 inch, ipad 4. When was the last time apple released this many products in a 2 month span? I can't recall. Apple have realised they can't keep their lead with 3 big name product releases per year; hence the increased frequency. They are becoming a samsung in some way.

Correct, but notice how most of those items don't overlap each other. They are designed for different markets.

iPhone 5 - Smartphone
iPod Touch and Nano- MP3, mobile "non phone" device.
iPad mini - small tablet
iMac - desktop computers
13" MB - small, ultra portable laptop
iPad 4 - large tablet


I think Apple is losing focus on their core audience, and is instead trying to become a volume leader instead of a niche product. The latter made them the most valuable company in the world.

Apple needs to continue doing what they do well: sell easy to use, sleek devices to the masses. Diversifying leaves them open to exploitation by other companies that have been in their respective markets far longer than Apple has.
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If they make so many different phones, then they're catering to people with all different budgets. People call out the iPhone for being the most expensive phone, so of course that will limit sales, yet it still has a big market share given this fact.
It might be affordable to you. But many people wouldn't pay £599 like I did for my iPhone. I know more people with low-end Android phones who only had the choice of Android, than I do with iPhones.

One problem with this.

The iPhone is NOT the most expensive phone. If you buy it by itself, it is definitely the most expensive, but if you buy it on contract agreement, there are quite a few android devices that cost more. MOST PEOPLE do not buy the iPhone by itself. They buy it on contract, so that invalidates your argument about it being "the most expensive phone" because from a realistic standpoint, it's not.

There are a lot of people I know that makes less money than I do (I'm pretty poor right now), and they have iPhones. Not only that, I know of whole families around here that all have iPhones. They are too easy to get when you're on a contract with a mobile carrier.
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well the tweeter feeds are not looking so good. people seem like they dont like the idea. they already got an ipod touch, iphone and ipad. was there a need for a ipad mini?

For some, the iPad mini might be perfect size. The iphone/iPod touch screen can easily be said to be too small for most media applications. Yet the 9.7" iPad can simply be too large for those with smaller hands. There is a huge market for petite women that want a tablet. Also, the price point is better for people that cannot afford the iPad but want in on the Apple tablet hype.
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Are you actually calling out a company because they are trying to make MONEY? THE SHAME OF IT.

You cant defend apple's low market share by saying its because of the price, then say that they cant bring down the price to increase market share.
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Apple know how to run a business. Hence why they have more money than some countries. I think they know where their best supply/demand/profit prices are.
And as I said earlier ,they have a brand to maintain. Making a cheap phone would totally ruin the brand, as would making cheap notebooks.
They know where their best price points are for the sake of their brand and their profit, which is why they're making a ridiculous amount of money right now.

And their market share is small, the stock price is falling, etc. While they have a lot of money, they don't have a ton of control. MS could axe-murder apple if it wanted to ("oops, iTunes is no longer compatible due to XYZ security update").

And besides, you're not a real tech company until you're hit by an EU anti-trust lawsuit. You only get those when what you do has any impact on the world.
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Considering the iPad accounts for 68% of all tablets I don't think it's a stretch that they have 92% of traffic out there.
Yes but they're looking to grab the part of the market that doesn't want to pay $500+ for a tablet. Now there's a tablet option for iOS for $329. I do think it should've been closer to $249 but I think they would've cannibalized the iPad 3/4 and the iPod Touch at that price.


You have your numbers mixed up. Android has 68% of the smartphone marketshare, iOS has 52% of the tablet marketshare, according to Forbes.


And the numbers are badly skewed. Android doesn't make any distinction between tablet and phone in the user agent. For the stock Jellybean browser its the same on both my Kindle Fire and Galaxy Nexus. Plus, if I choose request desktop site it changes my user agent to just Linux, so there's absolutely no way Apple could have accurate info. They're simply lying.
    
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You cant defend apple's low market share by saying its because of the price, then say that they cant bring down the price to increase market share.


And their market share is small, the stock price is falling, etc. While they have a lot of money, they don't have a ton of control. MS could axe-murder apple if it wanted to ("oops, iTunes is no longer compatible due to XYZ security update").

I'm not defending their market share, I'm simply explaining why it is where it is.

Their stock price is falling? In terms of the last few hours, yes. In terms of long term, months, years and so on... no, no it is not. After every WoW expansion announcement, Blizzard lost stock, but they didn't exactly do badly did they?

If Microsoft done that, they'd get sued beyond belief. You can't just lock someone out of your OS because your idioticly biased fanbase don't like them.

Did you know Microsoft were the biggest industrial buyer of Mac Pro machines, which they used to make the Xbox 360 architecture? Would they hell shut them out completely.
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I'm not defending their market share, I'm simply explaining why it is where it is.
Their stock price is falling? In terms of the last few hours, yes. In terms of long term, months, years and so on... no, no it is not. After every WoW expansion announcement, Blizzard lost stock, but they didn't exactly do badly did they?

Well, WoW sub base has shrunk a lot lately, so yea, it has hurt them a bit.
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apple is wrong,nexus 7 is the most sold these days.even them might be hardpressed in a near futur,tablet market is barely born.and the main market is about to get their tablet(a loongsong powered linux china distro)100 million?lol
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