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apple is wrong,nexus 7 is the most sold these days.

The normal iPad (at twice the price) outsells the Nexus 7. This cheaper one will for lack of a better word, dominate it.
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I'm not defending their market share, I'm simply explaining why it is where it is.
Their stock price is falling? In terms of the last few hours, yes. In terms of long term, months, years and so on... no, no it is not. After every WoW expansion announcement, Blizzard lost stock, but they didn't exactly do badly did they?

That was a terrible example...

WoW is shrinking over time, prior to the release of the latest expansion they were at their lowest point ever. The newest expansion pushed them back over 10 million subscribers, which is far short of their record.
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The normal iPad (at twice the price) outsells the Nexus 7. This cheaper one will for lack of a better word, dominate it.

Got proof that it's outselling? It may have outsold it (historically) but I'd be willing to be the nexus 7 is currently outselling the ipad.
 
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My freaking phone has a higher resolution!
iPad mini sucks!
Now let's hope the mini 2 has a better res.
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It's capitalism, you should know better. Why would they charge less when they're already selling so many they can't keep up with demand? Simple supply and demand, basic economics.
Besides, how many consumers care about gross profit margins of the products they're purchasing? There is only one thing that matters for a consumer, and that's the price they're paying and the quality they're getting.

I know its capitalism, but it's well known that if the price goes down, demand goes up. It's a balancing act. If they brought down the price slightly, they'd be able to grab the people who go with other phones based on price point. While that may only be a slight drop in price, it would be a pretty large increase in demand - they'd actually make more money.

Yes, supply and demand is a balancing act, but there's more to it than just that

Just for an example I'm going to throw out some numbers here (which may not be accurate, but it's just an example):
Let's say they sell 10 million 16GB iPhone 5s in the first month. Let's say they make $400 on each of those by pricing them at $600. That means they've made $4 billion in profit on those devices.
Now let's say they would've sold 11 million if the price had been $550 instead, giving them $350 in profit per device. Now they've made $3.85 billion. Of course, maybe they would've sold 12 million, or even 13 million. But, this only taking into account demand. They may not have the capacity to make 12 million in a month, or if they wanted that extra capacity maybe they would end up paying more per device, which would further cut into profits. Another thing to consider is the upgrade schedules from their previous phones, not everyone is eligible for an upgrade from their older iPhone to a newer one all at once, people buy phones throughout the year and thus people will become eligible over time, so you wouldn't want to have a huge production capacity just for the first month and then end up using only half of it for the next 11 months. They can keep their costs lower by not having excess production capacity, while maintaining enough supply to meet demand at the price they've chosen. And finally, they have their image to uphold. It sounds lame, but their products are always viewed as extremely high-quality, and lower the price too much could tarnish that, people expect that more expensive items are of higher quality (happens all the time in sales of almost any product).

I'm sure there's much more to it than just the aforementioned points, and I think it goes without saying that Apple probably has multiple PhD economists working for them that understand this much better than you or I.
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Considering the iPad accounts for 68% of all tablets I don't think it's a stretch that they have 92% of traffic out there.
Yes but they're looking to grab the part of the market that doesn't want to pay $500+ for a tablet. Now there's a tablet option for iOS for $329. I do think it should've been closer to $249 but I think they would've cannibalized the iPad 3/4 and the iPod Touch at that price.


You have your numbers mixed up. Android has 68% of the smartphone marketshare, iOS has 52% of the tablet marketshare, according to Forbes.


And the numbers are badly skewed. Android doesn't make any distinction between tablet and phone in the user agent. For the stock Jellybean browser its the same on both my Kindle Fire and Galaxy Nexus. Plus, if I choose request desktop site it changes my user agent to just Linux, so there's absolutely no way Apple could have accurate info. They're simply lying.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/2/3215612/apple-tablet-market-domination-q2-2012
http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2012/10/23/apple-ipad-mini-new-macs/1651599/
http://techcrunch.com/2012/08/02/idc-apples-ipad-grew-q2-tablet-share-to-68-as-it-braces-for-windows-8-amazon-and-nexus-competition/
http://bgr.com/2012/08/02/ipad-market-share-q2-2012-tablets-idc/
http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2012/08/apple_holds_68_of_a_tablet_mar.html
http://www.t3.com/news/ipad-dominates-tablet-market-with-68-share

Apple's marketshare WAS lower than 68%, the iPad 3 brought it back up.
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...but I'd be willing to be the nexus 7 is currently outselling the ipad.

Not a chance. I know that sales figures on this will be hard to get, but there's no way that the Nexus 7 is outselling the current iPad, day-to-day.

I'll try and find some numbers to back that up, but I honestly don't think they're even necessary.
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The new imac looks nice. As a hardware enthusiast I don't really like the specs that much but it looks pretty neat.
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If they make so many different phones, then they're catering to people with all different budgets. People call out the iPhone for being the most expensive phone, so of course that will limit sales, yet it still has a big market share given this fact.
It might be affordable to you. But many people wouldn't pay £599 like I did for my iPhone. I know more people with low-end Android phones who only had the choice of Android, than I do with iPhones.

contracts. Pretty much everyone who can afford to own a smartphone can afford an iphone. And comparing it to a car is completely ludicrous. A kid could spend the money he/she got from a summer job and spend that on multiple iphones. You can't exactly say the same thing about a luxury car.
 
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The new imac looks nice. As a hardware enthusiast I don't really like the specs that much but it looks pretty neat.


contracts. Pretty much everyone who can afford to own a smartphone can afford an iphone. And comparing it to a car is completely ludicrous. A kid could spend the money he/she got from a summer job and spend that on multiple iphones. You can't exactly say the same thing about a car.

Contracts aren't a good point either, because phone companies make up different plans based around the iPhone. Smartphones start at free for £10.50 a month, to £379 at £40+ a month, saying that you can automatically afford either is ridiculous.

Not many kids can find summer jobs now, let alone make (what you assume to be) thousands of dollars over the summer.
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I can't believe how many economists are in this thread. Where did you guys get your degrees and how do you balance being a number/business wizzkid with your passion for androi- I mean technology?
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And as I said earlier ,they have a brand to maintain. Making a cheap phone would totally ruin the brand, as would making cheap notebooks.
They know where their best price points are for the sake of their brand and their profit, which is why they're making a ridiculous amount of money right now.
They have made their brand. Any products they produce will do well so it's not that. The point is, apple want to abuse their reputation and will produce anything to make money. Look at their iMACs and Macbooks. Hardware wise, they are completely awful. So why do people pay over £1000 for sub £600 computers? Because it has an apple logo. They know that their following will buy ANYTHING Apple makes no matter what it is and what the price is, therefore they can afford to hike their prices up, and that is why their profit margins are astronomical.
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Oh OCN. You always give me a good laugh every time apple is brought up.
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