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How long untill arm takes over all the things?
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post #22 of 32
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lazloisdavrock View Post

How long untill arm takes over all the things?

Once everything no longer relies on x86, or x86 can be emulated on an ARM chip.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lazloisdavrock View Post

How long untill arm takes over all the things?

I dont think this will happen anytime in the foreseeable future. ARM advantage is low power consumption which is a result of using substantially simpler cores than x86 with all its extensions, large cache, multichannel memory controllers, etc. However, when you really need the perormance then x86 it is where its at so I would expect to x86 keep ruling in the desktop performance section. A lot of tasks do not scale particularly well with increased number of threads and good number of tasks have dimishing returns against number of threads/cores (communication overhead, etc). With the dropping power consumption of the "mobile" x86 CPU's the main edge the ARM has atm would be cost. You can have ARM CPU as low as 7$ for a pretty decent performer while, for example, AMD Z01 (a 4.5 W TDP binned C-50) costs substantially more. But, its also a 64 bit part, dualcore 1 GHz x86 with pretty good integrated DX 11 inegrated gfx part. If it just could bring the cost down to ~15$ it would rule the mobile world, but with increased complexity of x86 I dont know how huge volumes they would need to sell to manage that.

Theres some examples what C-50 can do: http://forum.notebookreview.com/gaming-software-graphics-cards/549760-amd-c-50-cpu-6250-gpu-performance-acer-522-review.html
Edited by Carniflex - 10/25/12 at 12:36am
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post #24 of 32
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Originally Posted by Tsumi View Post

Once everything no longer relies on x86, or x86 can be emulated on an ARM chip.

I don't really see that coming, the porridge like viscosity of those who fund tech departments nowadays woudn't have it.
Besides the ARM vs X86 are both well on in their years granted there has been improvements but surely there must be someway to do it better.

AMD getting in the midst of a terrible counterproductive industry (mobile, not necessarily ARM CPU) with their financial problems doesn't seem like the brightest idea.
- Sorry shareholders our largest buyer just got sued by everyone whilst suing everyone else, so instead of making a new device their going to protect the sales of their old ones and stick with the aging processor that right now costs less than a can of soda.
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Huzzbutt View Post

I don't really see that coming, the porridge like viscosity of those who fund tech departments nowadays woudn't have it.
Besides the ARM vs X86 are both well on in their years granted there has been improvements but surely there must be someway to do it better.
AMD getting in the midst of a terrible counterproductive industry (mobile, not necessarily ARM CPU) with their financial problems doesn't seem like the brightest idea.
- Sorry shareholders our largest buyer just got sued by everyone whilst suing everyone else, so instead of making a new device their going to protect the sales of their old ones and stick with the aging processor that right now costs less than a can of soda.
Wat to your entire post.
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When exactly did Nvidia have a tough time with Tegra? It seems to me that tablet makers can't get enough Tegra. I'm pretty sure it's the most popular chip among the high end tablets. And they keep demanding more, aren't they already on Tegra 3?
I can't speak for how much profit AMD would make if they started producing ARM chips. But I'm sure they could do a darn good job of it. What ARM lacks is a true leader in hardware production. Many have tried, and at best have enjoyed only temporary success. AMD has the know-how and the production capacity to succeed where others have failed at becoming the "go-to" ARM chip manufacturer.
Android and WindowsRT should produce more than enough demand for high end ARM chips, not even mentioning the server market.

Here's a GPU performance comparison the powerfull Tegra 3 vs new AMD Z-60 APU, hm if a high end Tablets with Tegra3 have graphics like this how do you call a Tablet with Z-60 APU. biggrin.gif
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I sure hope so. Them working together could be the only thing grinding the Intel train to a halt. I hope they fuse together making a better and stronger company with more R&D budget.
 
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(...) . That "PC" would buy itself back in power savings alone in a bit less than a year when compared to leaving my rig on overnight. In EU electricity can be pretty expensive with all these green energy CRAP

Fixed that for you biggrin.gif
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Since they can't grab market share away from ARM, they might as well use ARM's market share to their advantage.
AMD has hasn't competed against ARM..... they are in two different markets. AMD discontinued their Geode development quite a number of years ago. AMD only started looking at to compete with ARMS.... last month.

Quote:
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Huge arrays of tiny, ultra cheap, slow ARM processors have been in the news for years but nothing has come out of it. I read that Microsoft had a research lab centered around this but nothing came of it.
There are uses.... like web servers. Mozilla runs a Atom-based server.

However, weak cores usually lose to strong cores. Paper from a Google infrastructure lead:
http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/research.google.com/fr//pubs/archive/36448.pdf

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I sure hope so. Them working together could be the only thing grinding the Intel train to a halt. I hope they fuse together making a better and stronger company with more R&D budget.
ARM and AMD will remain two seperate companies. There's absolutely no reason that ARM would want to merger with AMD.... and AMD can't afford it. Most likely, AMD will leverage their ARM ISA license for more integration.
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This is not a correct statement. Graphics performance and low power usage is extremely important. It isn't just about games, either.

How so? What kind of mobile apps for Android/iOS are graphics intensive such that they would benefit from powerful GPU's like the ones in Trinity? If anything a quick CPU is most important to keep the OS from stuttering while have numerous apps running in the background (along with quick ram).

I'm not sure what you're getting at. In your first post you said we need faster CPU/GPUs, now you're saying there isn't software that would benefit from more powerful GPU's like Trinity.

I'm definitely on the side of hardware getting better, faster. As a game developer I'm constantly having to worry about the performance of every feature and asset that goes into the game, after going from PC development to mobile I feel very restricted by the hardware for even simple things like shadow mapping, normal mapping, or heavy particle systems. Those kinds of things will become easier as the average hardware in the devices increase. Granted mobile will always lag behind PCs by 8-10 years hardware wise, it'll be nice when your average phone or tablet can run stuff exactly like consoles do now, and I'd say it'll be about 3 years before that becomes the average across mobile hardware. As it stands now only the A6X is probably at that level, so given 3 years the A6X will be bottom of the line tech most likely.
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