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The main problem I have with Synapse is any time I go to the lock or switch user screen on Windows 8 it will make my computer reboot. But yes it is optional so I don't even use it.
post #172 of 190
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Originally Posted by Credo1970 View Post

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Look, I'll keep it simple.

Synapse doesn't have any next level complexity. Everything on the market from companies like Logitech, Roccat, hell, even Corsair and Gigabyte do exactly the same things. Hotkey remapping, macros, profiles.

The only thing that Synapse 2.0 does "better" is the cloud thing. And that's some basic level convenience most people wouldn't use and convenience that's worth of 20 seconds of effort. All it does is upload your profile data to cloud, and let's you download them there from another computer. The amount of data those profiles amount for is so little that you can even e-mail yourself and then get them from your inbox when you need them.

Is that bad? Not really, it's added convenience even if it's not worth much.

What is bad, is being forced to do that initial online registration in the first place, accept Razer's sketchy privacy policies. It should just work. There's no reason not to keep it optional. If customers deem it a necessary sometime in the future, they'll use it. Maybe Razer incorporates some other services into it and makes it even better, who knows. And makes their policies more transparent. Initially you couldn't even edit your profiles offline. At least the amended that a bit.

Having a login for drivers is a joke.

For me, the added inconvenience far outweighs the added convenience.
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post #174 of 190
Well at this point as much as i don't like the stink of corruption around this Razer issue I would like the software to work at all. Since the release of the Synapse 2.0 I am bating 2 for 2 not working.

I just bought a 2nd Naga Expert I guess it is. Anyway it's the green one that has the palm pad u can change and it's not the hex or the epic. I bought this for my wife as I was using the Original Blue Naga Legacy.

I had to do a format on my Machine and upgrade it Win 8 Pro where I am still using my Blue Legacy but lost my my Synapse 1.0 and so far the 2.0 won't see my mouse at all and just closes

The 2nd was the new one and it's installed on a window 7 and we of course installed the fresh drivers and software with the new 2.0 and guess what? it also Don't work does the same thing to the letter.

I would love to jump right in there with you saying what crap this software is but so far I can get it to work at all. I just thought there was a bad release and they would release a new version soon but now after waiting 2 months of have nice 80$ 3 button mouse, I could have bought for 10 bucks at the flee market for what it does. I was looking for a solution and found this post.

Seems we have another Big Brother in the house and junk software to boot how nice, maybe if they spent more time making sure the software really worked they would have less time to snoop.

So after searching a dozen or so sites and I landed right here at home and reading about you guys shredding Razor. BTW U go boys go get them.

Ok so after reading most of this post It would seem you can download the version 1.0 again for legacy Razor products? I would like to know where, it seems a pretty well guarded over at Razor. I was just looking for those drivers myself to get my mouse working.


I was also wondering if anyone thinks if I could find the the 1.0 version if, it might work on my wife's green expert version that I bought just a short time ago.

TIA

BTW Nice post exposing them dirt bag spy's
    
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post #175 of 190
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Originally Posted by Fearlessleader View Post

Well at this point as much as i don't like the stink of corruption around this Razer issue I would like the software to work at all. Since the release of the Synapse 2.0 I am bating 2 for 2 not working.

I just bought a 2nd Naga Expert I guess it is. Anyway it's the green one that has the palm pad u can change and it's not the hex or the epic. I bought this for my wife as I was using the Original Blue Naga Legacy.

I had to do a format on my Machine and upgrade it Win 8 Pro where I am still using my Blue Legacy but lost my my Synapse 1.0 and so far the 2.0 won't see my mouse at all and just closes

The 2nd was the new one and it's installed on a window 7 and we of course installed the fresh drivers and software with the new 2.0 and guess what? it also Don't work does the same thing to the letter.

I would love to jump right in there with you saying what crap this software is but so far I can get it to work at all. I just thought there was a bad release and they would release a new version soon but now after waiting 2 months of have nice 80$ 3 button mouse, I could have bought for 10 bucks at the flee market for what it does. I was looking for a solution and found this post.

Seems we have another Big Brother in the house and junk software to boot how nice, maybe if they spent more time making sure the software really worked they would have less time to snoop.

So after searching a dozen or so sites and I landed right here at home and reading about you guys shredding Razor. BTW U go boys go get them.

Ok so after reading most of this post It would seem you can download the version 1.0 again for legacy Razor products? I would like to know where, it seems a pretty well guarded over at Razor. I was just looking for those drivers myself to get my mouse working.


I was also wondering if anyone thinks if I could find the the 1.0 version if, it might work on my wife's green expert version that I bought just a short time ago.

TIA

BTW Nice post exposing them dirt bag spy's

First, does the mouse work with no synapse at all?

It should work out of the box.
By default the thumb key pad will send numbers. A switch on the bottom lets you choose between 10key codes or top number row codes.

If it's not working on bog standard OS mouse drivers...check the BIOS. Try tinkering with Legacy USB options. It is NOT uncommon at all for various makes of motherboards to need BIOS settings in order to use USB mice and keyboards. That's not Razer's fault.

If the mouse is working with no Synapse installed at all, then there's no good reason I know of why it wouldn't be picked up by Synapse 2.0.

I have a classic Naga as well. Works fine with either 2.0 or 1.0.

Legacy Synapse is not guarded...
You can get both 2.0 or Legacy Synapse software at the support site.
http://drivers.razersupport.com//index.php?_m=downloads&_a=view&parentcategoryid=144&pcid=40&nav=0,76,229,40
Edited by Credo1970 - 7/26/13 at 7:26pm
post #176 of 190
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Originally Posted by forthedisplay View Post

Look, I'll keep it simple.

Synapse doesn't have any next level complexity. Everything on the market from companies like Logitech, Roccat, hell, even Corsair and Gigabyte do exactly the same things. Hotkey remapping, macros, profiles.

The only thing that Synapse 2.0 does "better" is the cloud thing. And that's some basic level convenience most people wouldn't use and convenience that's worth of 20 seconds of effort. All it does is upload your profile data to cloud, and let's you download them there from another computer. The amount of data those profiles amount for is so little that you can even e-mail yourself and then get them from your inbox when you need them.

Is that bad? Not really, it's added convenience even if it's not worth much.

What is bad, is being forced to do that initial online registration in the first place, accept Razer's sketchy privacy policies. It should just work. There's no reason not to keep it optional. If customers deem it a necessary sometime in the future, they'll use it. Maybe Razer incorporates some other services into it and makes it even better, who knows. And makes their policies more transparent. Initially you couldn't even edit your profiles offline. At least the amended that a bit.

Having a login for drivers is a joke.

For me, the added inconvenience far outweighs the added convenience.

Initially you couldn't? I've never seen that version where the cloud stuff was NOT optional...ever. I've only read about it. Early adopters who purchased the first 100 units got it? I don't know, but I DO know that for decades I've had some problems with first run software/hardware from MANY companies. Sony, Mirantz, Pioneer, Yamaha, JVC, on and on....I got all anxious and ordered the stuff before it even hit the retailers' shelves yet. It's a sad reality that sometimes companies don't have their launch act together and a software update or two is essential. I don't think Razer is alone in this respect. Everything I've seen seems to show that it was only a matter of days before the so called 'forced to use the cloud' issue was addressed and fixed. The so called 'sketchy privacy policy' was never sketchy...just poorly translated to English, and that was quickly addressed by the company as well.

I'll UN-simplify it again. It's not just about the hardware and games sold 'today', but also about how developers can gear up for the next generation of products.

The fact that they have invested in server software, technology, and bandwidth to store the profiles IS a stepping stone to 'next level complexity' that currently no one else offers. It IS a pretty MAJOR foundation to offering more tools for DEVELOPERS (both in house at Razer, or third party) to do all kinds of interesting things with gaming interface devices. Right now it's just a storage area, but that's the ground floor for potentially more things to come. Again you say 'who needs the cloud'? Smartphones, GPS, Tablets....all that stuff is set up to work on the cloud...so it makes sense that more game developers are setting up games to work with those types of devices. Razer is just trying to get a foot in the door and be ready for those paradigm shifts. AGAIN, it might not be much longer that people buy mice and keyboards as we know them anyway....so what's a company like Razer supposed to do then?

Again, you're not FORCED to use Synapse at all....period. The stuff works out of the box on bog standard OS supplied drivers if need be. You can even use third party mapping and sensor setting software if that's your choice. Oh, and to get those third party 'software packages'...many of them are going to ask to you register too! Registering software is NOTHING NEW....hell, even my 1988 Atari ST had me register my software....PLUS had a friggin stack of 'dongles'...an PIRATES till were able to clone their wares and have much to do with eventually driving them out of business.

Next, why is it such a big deal to take a moment to register your new mouse? Why would you NOT want to do this anyway? Especially if it's something you paid that much for...and want to lock in the warranty info and stuff?

Sketchy Privacy Policies? There's nothing sketchy about the privacy policy at all. It is VERY CLEAR that ALL IT DOES is OPTIONALLY store your profiles and key-maps on a server somewhere, and check for software updates.

Why the heck can every other company in the world do 'optional' auto update checks (YES, MY LOGITECH and MICROSOFT MICE and Synaptic TOUCHPADS have software that does this too)...but not Razer?

YES...just two days ago I plugged a Microsoft wireless mouse into my computer and the first thing it did was throw up a dialog that it was checking the internet for an update. It was pretty elaborate stuff that was specific to this product (not just a little Windows Notification in the bottom corner of the screen). It took me to a page in my default web browser specific for the mouse. In this case I didn't have to 'register' again because I already went through that with the Windows OS and all that is tied together for MS stuff anyway.

Next, I notice that all my laptops are powered by Logitech touch pads. They ALSO regularly ping about checking for 'updates', and they ALSO have stuff that is started at boot and run in the system tray, etc. They also had me 'register' my new product(s) for full support and warranty...etc.

The list goes on and on. Several posts on this thread are just a bad attempt at a smear campaign...
If there's something you like better than Razer that's fine...no one cares. The part that's just full of it is pretending they are operating on a different set of ethics and legal grounds for privacy and security than any other software/hardware company out there. It's simply not true. While a younger/smaller company is bound to make more mistakes than a huge experienced corp, and their products or their prices are not going to be for everyone...they're no where near the bully/tyrant/snooping/unethical ripoff outfit some folks are trying to imply.
Edited by Credo1970 - 7/26/13 at 8:12pm
post #177 of 190
Get out razer shill. You don't simply sell an car with GPS function and then make the GPS constanty save data and report back about where you're driving to. The fact that GPS isn't "required" to drive the car still doesn't justify how dumb the whole thing is.

If Synapse had been required to run mouse then Razer mice would probably get banned in Germany. That's how "consumer friendly" it is.
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I wish I had seen this before I bought a Deathadder 2013.

1: I have two DA 3.5G and use the 3.05 software. I use OTF sensitivity all the time, since I use high sens for desktop/browsing, low sens for photoshop masking, and medium for games.
2: I find out I have to log in to use the synapse 2.0 software? What an absolute load of crap. Shame on you Razer.
3: Works fine out of the box? BS!!! Where is my OTF sensitivity out of the box??? I'm not hunting down 3rd party software to get around this issue, that's ridiculous.
4: So I break down and set up a login so I can use OTF sensitivity, and it's laggy as hell. As in, sometimes the hotkey (I use mouse 5) works, sometimes it doesn't. When it does work, I move the wheel and it's literally seconds later when it changes sensitivity. *** is this?

Now I'm seeing that I can't use legacy software with this mouse I paid good money for???

Sombody show me how to change the LED in the 3.5G to green. The only reason I picked up the 2013 is to match my green LED rig, I thought it was just a plug in replacement for the 3.5G.

This mouse, for me, is unusable BECAUSE of synapse 2.0. It is absolutely going back and I'll have to just tolerate the blue LED 3.5G in my color scheme. GIVE ME THE LEGACY DRIVER AND I'LL BE COMPLETELY HAPPY!!! That in itself is proof that Synapse sucks.

If synapse 2.0 is required for all new Razer products, the truth is I'm done with Razer products. Argue all you want, I don't need another piece of software forcing me to log in and telling me what to do. If I wanted that, I'd be on a MAC.
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the only reason I picked up the 2013 is to match my green LED rig, I thought it was just a plug in replacement for the 3.5G.

This mouse, for me, is unusable BECAUSE of synapse 2.0. It is absolutely going back and I'll have to just tolerate the blue LED 3.5G in my color scheme. GIVE ME THE LEGACY DRIVER AND I'LL BE COMPLETELY HAPPY!!! That in itself is proof that Synapse sucks.

If synapse 2.0 is required for all new Razer products, the truth is I'm done with Razer products. Argue all you want, I don't need another piece of software forcing me to log in and telling me what to do. If I wanted that, I'd be on a MAC.

Dump razer, they're one of the worst companies i've ever dealt with and get worse every day. If you want a quality mouse with any color LED you like look into roccat.
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I wish I had seen this before I bought a Deathadder 2013.

1: I have two DA 3.5G and use the 3.05 software. I use OTF sensitivity all the time, since I use high sens for desktop/browsing, low sens for photoshop masking, and medium for games.
2: I find out I have to log in to use the synapse 2.0 software? What an absolute load of crap. Shame on you Razer.
3: Works fine out of the box? BS!!! Where is my OTF sensitivity out of the box??? I'm not hunting down 3rd party software to get around this issue, that's ridiculous.
4: So I break down and set up a login so I can use OTF sensitivity, and it's laggy as hell. As in, sometimes the hotkey (I use mouse 5) works, sometimes it doesn't. When it does work, I move the wheel and it's literally seconds later when it changes sensitivity. *** is this?

Now I'm seeing that I can't use legacy software with this mouse I paid good money for???

Sombody show me how to change the LED in the 3.5G to green. The only reason I picked up the 2013 is to match my green LED rig, I thought it was just a plug in replacement for the 3.5G.

This mouse, for me, is unusable BECAUSE of synapse 2.0. It is absolutely going back and I'll have to just tolerate the blue LED 3.5G in my color scheme. GIVE ME THE LEGACY DRIVER AND I'LL BE COMPLETELY HAPPY!!! That in itself is proof that Synapse sucks.

If synapse 2.0 is required for all new Razer products, the truth is I'm done with Razer products. Argue all you want, I don't need another piece of software forcing me to log in and telling me what to do. If I wanted that, I'd be on a MAC.

Put it on offline mode.
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