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What, specifically, are you not able to do as well on Windows 8 that you could on Window 7?

Windows 8 still can do alot of the things 7 can to a point, but that is not what I am getting at. The interface is crap and not optimized at all for keyboard and mouse. It also has a steep learning curve. Anyone willing to update from 7 to 8 will pretty much have to learn how to do things all over again. I also found myself jumping through more hoops to do things that require much less effort on Windows 7. The whole operating system runs smooth, but it is just so awkward to use on a desktop PC. Windows 8 is not a far superior OS at all, it barely adds any new functionality at all, and even takes some away. Windows 7 in my opinion is, and always will be, the better OS.

If you prefer Windows 8, cool, that is your opinion. I am simply stating mine.
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Gee, I wonder why.

I just recently bought Windows 8 Pro...... Oh god, was that ever a mistake.

Windows 8 is absolutely horrible! It is near impossible to navigate and everything is so dumbed down for tablet form. This OS belongs on phones and tablets, not a computer! Goodbye productivity! And you may say "Just install those mods to get your start menu back, etc". Why on earth should I have to install dirty hacks, in order to get back to Windows 7 functionality? What is wrong with Windows 7 from the start?

Windows 8 is honestly the worst OS since ME. Ugh, downgrade to Windows 7, here I come.
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Gee, I wonder why.
I just recently bought Windows 8 Pro...... Oh god, was that ever a mistake.
Windows 8 is absolutely horrible! It is near impossible to navigate and everything is so dumbed down for tablet form. This OS belongs on phones and tablets, not a computer! Goodbye productivity! And you may say "Just install those mods to get your start menu back, etc". Why on earth should I have to install dirty hacks, in order to get back to Windows 7 functionality? What is wrong with Windows 7 from the start?
Windows 8 is honestly the worst OS since ME. Ugh, downgrade to Windows 7, here I come.

Some people think it's horrible, most are meh, it's just another Windows OS, and some think it's great. Opinions will be opinions.

Some have said they have better productivity with Windows 8, but considering how the desktop functions in pretty much the exact same way as Windows 7, I'm not sure how Windows 8 can be detrimental to productivity unless you heavily rely on Start menu jumplists.
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The OS is so good and MS is so confident they are practically giving it away for $15. Don't really need to know much more imho.
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Some people think it's horrible, most are meh, it's just another Windows OS, and some think it's great. Opinions will be opinions.

Some have said they have better productivity with Windows 8, but considering how the desktop functions in pretty much the exact same way as Windows 7, I'm not sure how Windows 8 can be detrimental to productivity unless you heavily rely on Start menu jumplists.

Yeah, right, only jump lists, sure, feel free to ignore what I wrote in post #168.

Intel's CEO, Paul Otellini is right, Windows 8 was launched without being ready. I bet they are going to be adding features very soon. They didn't even manage to ship the Windows RT tablets with the final version of Office 2013 Home and Student - it's not even the full suite, so it should take less time to get it ready on time, talk about praise for Steven Sinofsky's ability to release software on schedule, he did it in the past, he failed this time, according to reports the final version will only be made available in January.
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no duh....


people wanted 7 because vista was dog crap and 7 was great, no one wanted 8 because it looks like dog crap and its policy is worst then how it looks
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The OS is so good and MS is so confident they are practically giving it away for $15. Don't really need to know much more imho.

When Windows 7 was released, recently bought Vista computers got a free upgrade. With Windows 8, recently bought Windows 7 computers get a $15 upgrade. It's only the $40 upgrade from any OS that is unique.
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Yeah, right, only jump lists, sure, feel free to ignore what I wrote in post #168.
Intel's CEO, Paul Otellini is right, Windows 8 was launched without being ready (they didn't even manage to ship the Windows RT tablets with the final version of Office 2013 Home and Student - it's not even the full suite, so it should take less time to get it ready on time, talk about praise for Steven Sinofsky's ability to release software on schedule, he did it in the past, he failed this time, according to reports the final version will only ship in January). I bet they are going to be adding features very soon.

The Start Screen is big enough that needing recently used apps to appear is practically unnecessary... not to mention scrolling is quick with the mouse wheel.

Many of those things are relatively minor things IMO, and a non-issue for most users. Sure, it can be an annoyance, but it's not something huge that gets in the way. If the Start Screen search doesn't work for you, why not use the Windows Explorer search? Honestly half the time, I feel like you're trying to nitpick at every little minor detail and every little minor annoyance that's different from Windows 7.

Although I do agree that parts of it do feel unfinished.
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Gee, I wonder why.
I just recently bought Windows 8 Pro...... Oh god, was that ever a mistake.
Windows 8 is absolutely horrible! It is near impossible to navigate and everything is so dumbed down for tablet form. This OS belongs on phones and tablets, not a computer! Goodbye productivity! And you may say "Just install those mods to get your start menu back, etc". Why on earth should I have to install dirty hacks, in order to get back to Windows 7 functionality? What is wrong with Windows 7 from the start?
Windows 8 is honestly the worst OS since ME. Ugh, downgrade to Windows 7, here I come.

I couldn't agree more.
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As for the topic reason Windows 8 is well behind Windows 7 pace set is because at the time you had Vista users who were so happy to try anything else and the XP hold outs who finally decided it was time.

This time around you got a great OS that's finally matured with Windows 7 and people not seeing the need to make any moves. Doesn't have any bearing on how well Windows 8 actually compares to Windows 7. Reviews show it's slightly faster all around. Whether it's worth upgrading from Windows 7 is personal opinion but in no means required and gains minimal performance wise.

I tried Preview with a negative attitude like many people being forced into something they don't want to have to learn over again. After two weeks of left brain fighting right brain I felt frustrated. As reviews started to come out I realized the problem wasn't Windows 8 but it was me not knowing how to find what is right in front of me the whole time. It felt like the same learning curve I felt when going from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95.

One example with Windows 8: I didn't even know until release day that the right click in the lower left hand screen pulls up: Programs and Features, Power Options, Even Viewer, System, Control Panel, Device Manager, Computer Management, Disk Management, Command Prompt, Command Prompt [Admin], Task Manager, Control Panel, File Explorer, Search, Run, & Desktop. doh.gif

All it took was reading one short review. I'm now in week 3 moving much more easily and I find myself not being able to return to Windows 7 after all. I'm not even taking the Metro Apps into consideration and based soley on the OS.

The hardest thing was understanding the start menu is a 'start splash' page now. From there one can get to many place but most importantly to 'applications' or 'desktop' with one click and it's business as usual with short cuts on desk top and task bar. One can also easily toggle with 'Window' key.

As for my kids on their rig I'm going to leave Windows 7 being a school year and they can transition more slowly by watching how to use Windows 8 through my system. In summer I may switch them as well but will re access if switching complicates any compatibly with school programs they might have.

So for the naysayers, it's not because Windows 8 is not as good as Windows 7. It's not because Windows 8 is not polished. Take Metro Apps away which can be easily done in Windows 8, the OS stands up to Windows 7 and will be the sleeper OS as it matures I'm betting.
     
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The OS is so good and MS is so confident they are practically giving it away for $15. Don't really need to know much more imho.

When Windows 7 was released, recently bought Vista computers got a free upgrade. With Windows 8, recently bought Windows 7 computers get a $15 upgrade. It's only the $40 upgrade from any OS that is unique.
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Yeah, right, only jump lists, sure, feel free to ignore what I wrote in post #168.
Intel's CEO, Paul Otellini is right, Windows 8 was launched without being ready (they didn't even manage to ship the Windows RT tablets with the final version of Office 2013 Home and Student - it's not even the full suite, so it should take less time to get it ready on time, talk about praise for Steven Sinofsky's ability to release software on schedule, he did it in the past, he failed this time, according to reports the final version will only ship in January). I bet they are going to be adding features very soon.

The Start Screen is big enough that needing recently used apps to appear is practically unnecessary... not to mention scrolling is quick with the mouse wheel.

Many of those things are relatively minor things IMO, and a non-issue for most users. Sure, it can be an annoyance, but it's not something huge that gets in the way. If the Start Screen search doesn't work for you, why not use the Windows Explorer search? Honestly half the time, I feel like you're trying to nitpick at every little minor detail and every little minor annoyance that's different from Windows 7.

Although I do agree that parts of it do feel unfinished.

Nitpick ? Lol, that's the way to argument.

You think you know how everybody uses their PC ? These annoyances do get in the way because they make the workflow feel clunky, it takes longer to achieve the same results, for crying out loud, they even managed to hide the Shut down, Restart, Sleep, Hibernate, etc, options, making it take longer to get there, whichever way you want to get there: Charms menu, Ctrl+Alt+Del or Alt+F4 when you are on the Desktop with all programs minimized. How screwed up is that ? More, in the Charms Menu they are under Settings. Shutting down your PC isn't a setting LOL, it's a function. How can they screw up such basic things ? People have come to the ridicule of suggesting making our own options on the desktop or on the Start Screen. I'm sorry, when people have to start making their own basic easy access to Windows features something is seriously wrong.

People here keep saying that it's so easy to search with Windows 8, as easy as Windows 7, as you just press the "Start" key and start typing, and then when I point out that it's NOT as easy, I'm nitpicking. Sure. Using the File Explorer takes longer than to search with the Start menu, because when you click on it on the taskbar it defaults to searching the libraries, so if your documents are elsewhere you have to change your search location first, not to mention that even if you select the Computer on the left pane, it still won't search for settings, for example, while the Start menu searches for everything.

It seems to me that you haven't used Windows 7 all that well in the first place, because searching with Windows 8 is a huge regression compared to Windows 7.

It also seem to me that you haven't used Windows 8 properly in your daily life. It's not only browsing the Start screen that you lose track of what is happening on the desktop, browsing the Start screen also means when you're looking at those updating app tiles, or you can be in a fullscreen app, so you are likely to spend some time in the Start screen or in a fullscreen app, not only when you're searching for a file or clicking to start an application, and all the while the taskbar is hidden and all your desktop applications can't show you notifications of what is happening. You'll have to constantly switch between both in order to get the same functionality. If the updating app tiles were to reside on the desktop, the taskbar would be visible and these problems wouldn't exist. But Microsoft conveniently discontinued support for Windows 7's gadgets, citing insecurity reasons and went as far as suggesting people just disable the platform altogether. Now, instead of bringing apps to the desktop, they have to reside on a separate environment and you only have some very rudimentary side by side multi-tasking between apps (in a narrow format) and the desktop. Modern style apps are fully vectorized, yet you can't resize them, they have to run fullscreen. LOL.

And the "once called Metro" switcher ? It works so well that if you fill it up with apps the first ones you opened will disappear from it, the list doesn't scroll, even though they are still running as you can see in the Task Manager, but you can't access them from the task switcher, unless you start closing some apps. LOL

But I wouldn't be surprised that people don't use Windows 7 all that well, after all Microsoft brought back the "Up" button in the File Explorer, when it is plainly redundant now. The address bar lets you explore all the directory tree that is above the directory you're in, you just have to click the folder you want to go to, it is not only faster in the sense you only have to click once to go, for example, two directory levels up, because you just click on the directory name you want to go to, as it is also much clearer, as the directory name is plainly written for you to know where you're going. If Microsoft had done a better job of explaining how beautifully simple Windows 7's address bar works, the "Up" button wouldn't be needed again.

The only reason they put the Start screen as the first screen you see is because they want you to look at all those apps and the app store, hoping you'll buy some apps. I have nothing against them wanting to make money, but Windows has lost functionality and ease of use the way they implemented it, and it honestly feels insulting that they sacrificed desktop usage just so they could show you how nice their tablets work. People haven't had any difficulties in adapting to using mobile OSes. People use Nokia's Symbian, iOS and Android, and have no difficulty in using desktop OSes; having the same user interface for devices with different input methods, which has been shown on several reviews to be a compromise, serves no useful purpose other than to promote their hopeful money making machine.
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