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post #181 of 233
10/30/12 at 3:10am
dont forget about the dodgy licensing as well

in australia we cant buy retail versions, its OEM or upgrade and the upgrade version here wont allow fresh install.

MS removed media center as well and makes you pay for it
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post #182 of 233
10/30/12 at 3:20am
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dont forget about the dodgy licensing as well

in australia we cant buy retail versions, its OEM or upgrade and the upgrade version here wont allow fresh install.

MS removed media center as well and makes you pay for it

More, if you buy the base version of Windows 8 (when it becomes available), and you decide that you need Media Center, you have to buy the Pro Pack, which basically upgrades Windows 8 to Windows 8 Pro with the Media Center Pack, you can't just buy the Media Center Pack for Windows 8. Imagine how expensive that will be.

Also, the SmartScreen filter works in a way that is a potential privacy concern. I have nothing against SmartScreen itself, but I do have an issue with the way it works. Instead of downloading a file with signatures to check against, just like any Anti-virus program does, including Microsoft's own Security Essentials, it sends a request to Microsoft's servers with information about the file you just downloaded to check against a database to see if it's safe or not. They store your IP and the name of the file you downloaded along with some identifying string. Not much, some might say, but the truth is Microsoft had to come out and say they won't do anything with the information they receive. Right. This feature comes turned on by default (you can turn it off, but then you'll of course lose that protection). Again, I have nothing against the feature itself, added security is always welcome. The way it is implemented though is very dubious.
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10/30/12 at 4:20am
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dont forget about the dodgy licensing as well
in australia we cant buy retail versions, its OEM or upgrade and the upgrade version here wont allow fresh install.
MS removed media center as well and makes you pay for it

Actually you can do a fresh install. I bought the windows 8 pro upgrade on the release day and installed it. Yesterday my new hard drive arrived(old one was dying) and swapped it in. Once I had installed W8 I ran into a problem. Windows claimed that my product key could only be used to upgrade an old installation. To solve this I just installed the windows again on the same hard drive. Kinda stupid yes but after the second install the key worked just fine. I think key to success was that I didnt format the hard drive on the second time, only deleted the partition in the setup.
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Originally Posted by W4nderer View Post

A case in point example of how people that bash Windows 8 haven't bothered to learn how to use it ...

Maybe the same way that people that like Windows 8 keep throwing up the same, tired, lie that ASSumes that people who don't like Windows 8 obviously haven't tried it.

I've been an IT professional for 22 years now. I've been a programmer on and off for 26 years now. I am a member of MSDN. I've been running Windows 8 for 9 months now. I *HATE* Windows 8.

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10/30/12 at 6:09am
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As for the topic reason Windows 8 is well behind Windows 7 pace set is because at the time you had Vista users who were so happy to try anything else and the XP hold outs who finally decided it was time.
This time around you got a great OS that's finally matured with Windows 7 and people not seeing the need to make any moves. Doesn't have any bearing on how well Windows 8 actually compares to Windows 7. Reviews show it's slightly faster all around. Whether it's worth upgrading from Windows 7 is personal opinion but in no means required and gains minimal performance wise.
I tried Preview with a negative attitude like many people being forced into something they don't want to have to learn over again. After two weeks of left brain fighting right brain I felt frustrated. As reviews started to come out I realized the problem wasn't Windows 8 but it was me not knowing how to find what is right in front of me the whole time. It felt like the same learning curve I felt when going from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95.
One example with Windows 8: I didn't even know until release day that the right click in the lower left hand screen pulls up: Programs and Features, Power Options, Even Viewer, System, Control Panel, Device Manager, Computer Management, Disk Management, Command Prompt, Command Prompt [Admin], Task Manager, Control Panel, File Explorer, Search, Run, & Desktop. doh.gif
All it took was reading one short review. I'm now in week 3 moving much more easily and I find myself not being able to return to Windows 7 after all. I'm not even taking the Metro Apps into consideration and based soley on the OS.
The hardest thing was understanding the start menu is a 'start splash' page now. From there one can get to many place but most importantly to 'applications' or 'desktop' with one click and it's business as usual with short cuts on desk top and task bar. One can also easily toggle with 'Window' key.
As for my kids on their rig I'm going to leave Windows 7 being a school year and they can transition more slowly by watching how to use Windows 8 through my system. In summer I may switch them as well but will re access if switching complicates any compatibly with school programs they might have.
So for the naysayers, it's not because Windows 8 is not as good as Windows 7. It's not because Windows 8 is not polished. Take Metro Apps away which can be easily done in Windows 8, the OS stands up to Windows 7 and will be the sleeper OS as it matures I'm betting.

My version of this tale, was watching a video linked on this site...

I came prepared to H8, but can't fault it, except it won't let me install my copy of Office 2007 mad.gif

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P.S. Been with W7 so long it's part of me ! LOL
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10/30/12 at 6:27am
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No really fair since everybody and their mother were dying to get out of Vista.

Windows 7 will be the new XP, everybody will stick to it even though there's a much superior OS around.
To be fair though this year windows xp support has ceased to exist. So its either upgrade or bust. Which is quite a bit larger market share then just a few people jumping form vista to 7.
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10/30/12 at 8:01am
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If you claim to have bought 12 Windows 8 PCs then you should know that it does in fact come with Control Panel on the Start Menu. If not then you have either never used Windows 8 or you are straight up lying in order to desperately trash Windows 8 over a matter that simply doesn't exist.
Either way you are wrong. How do I know this? I've been using Windows 8 Server since February, starting with the Beta. In every iteration of Windows 8 I've used since then the Control Panel has always been included on the Start Menu at install. Either Microsoft absolutely loves me enough to include Control Panel on only my copy of Windows or you know...

I am sorry, but they did not. The ones I bought did not come with control panel on the start screen, but a whole bunch of crapware. Now I have never used the beta version, just the version they sell in the stores. I also only used them in the store, the I bought them for gifts for my workers. Every time there is a major release they can enter to win the device. I then hook them up with the device, it is really not a drawing, just a list.

But that is not the point. The point is I can add or take away anything to the start screen. But if I add all the icons to the start screen that I use in 1 day, then I might as will have a app list. I do not install programs I do not use on my computer. To have the start screen cluttered with all the icons is just defeating the point of the start screen.

Windows says that this version is intuitive. But when you get down to it, it is not. You have the desktop that was neutered to make sure that people use the tablet metro version. The metro version was to make sure windows locks people into using the windows store.

The whole thing is a security nightmare. Once they hack your email password, they hacked your computer. You can set up a local account, then that makes metro ui pointless. Because the whole reason for that was to show case window store apps.

The list goes on, it is a nightmare from the user point of view.

But I have noted that when you feel threaten you insult instead of talking.
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10/30/12 at 8:57am
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I have to ask, how? I have to click 2 things to get to control panel in windows 7, I have to click like 4 times to get to control panel in 8. I can go on. Windows 8 is for tablets. It is no surprise that it is not selling on pc.

No, what you and many others really "have to" do is learn how to use the OS properly.

Windows 7:
Click start -> Click control panel

Windows 8:
Right click start -> Click control panel


There is actually LESS overall mouse movement required to open control panel in Windows 8 than there is in Windows 7, yet you've convinced yourself that it takes twice as much effort.

There are also at least twice as many power user tools available on the right click of the Windows 8 start button than there are in Windows 7s start menu.

Now imagine how many other misconceptions and negative feelings there are floating around the grape vine/negativity-o-sphere due to people not actually learning to use the OS before declaring that x, y or z is or is not possible.
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Gee, I wonder why.
I just recently bought Windows 8 Pro...... Oh god, was that ever a mistake.

Windows 8 is absolutely horrible! It is near impossible to navigate and everything is so dumbed down for tablet form. This OS belongs on phones and tablets, not a computer! Goodbye productivity! And you may say "Just install those mods to get your start menu back, etc". Why on earth should I have to install dirty hacks, in order to get back to Windows 7 functionality? What is wrong with Windows 7 from the start?
Windows 8 is honestly the worst OS since ME. Ugh, downgrade to Windows 7, here I come.

I don't agree with your opinion, but isn't it a bit of an irony that you find something you proclaim to be dumbed down impossible to use?
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except it won't let me install my copy of Office 2007 mad.gif
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You can always install the Office 2013 preview.
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10/30/12 at 12:12pm
That's ironic.

4M Windows 8 upgrades in four days + Windows 8 demand outpaces Windows 7
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