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How do you like gaming with your keyboards? I hear blues are bad for gaming and thinking of going with a brown for this reason. I love the clicky sound of blues though. Just so confused right now frown.gif

I just want a keyboard good for both typing and gaming.
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The bad thing about the Cherry MX Blues is the release point is physically higher than the actuation point which means true double tapping is practically impossible.  This physical design can cause other problems too for anyone who likes to keep their key pressed down just a little bit while gaming in order to get really quick key movements with the least amount of physical movement of the fingers.  Some call it "riding the point of actuation", and this isn't possible with the Cherry MX Blues because of how much higher the release point is than the actuation point.

 

Imagine it in slow motion:  let's say the entire key travel is exactly 4mm.  Now for the sake of argument, let's make up some numbers to illustrate what I'm talking about:  the point of actuation is exactly 2mm down from the top (the "top" is where the key is resting when nothing is pressing it).  In order to stop sending the keystroke signal, the switch must be allowed to come up higher than that 2mm point.  It must be allowed to come up to about the 1mm mark from the top (again, I think I'm making up numbers so that I can just make an illustration).

 

So that space between actuation and release is too large for "riding the point of actuation" or for doing true double taps.  Now if I need to do a double-tap, then I just hit the key two times in a row very fast;  in slow motion, my finger would probably be seen coming completely off the keycap just a little bit.

 

In other words, I'd say it depends on your gaming techniques.

    
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If you completely bottom out the keys like on a membrane keyboard while gaming, it would be hard to tell the difference imho. On reds and blacks, you will be bottoming out since there is no tactile bump to let you know the key has registered.
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If you completely bottom out the keys like on a membrane keyboard while gaming, it would be hard to tell the difference imho. On reds and blacks, you will be bottoming out since there is no tactile bump to let you know the key has registered.

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Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post

The bad thing about the Cherry MX Blues is the release point is physically higher than the actuation point which means true double tapping is practically impossible.  This physical design can cause other problems too for anyone who likes to keep their key pressed down just a little bit while gaming in order to get really quick key movements with the least amount of physical movement of the fingers.  Some call it "riding the point of actuation", and this isn't possible with the Cherry MX Blues because of how much higher the release point is than the actuation point.

Imagine it in slow motion:  let's say the entire key travel is exactly 4mm.  Now for the sake of argument, let's make up some numbers to illustrate what I'm talking about:  the point of actuation is exactly 2mm down from the top (the "top" is where the key is resting when nothing is pressing it).  In order to stop sending the keystroke signal, the switch must be allowed to come up higher than that 2mm point.  It must be allowed to come up to about the 1mm mark from the top (again, I think I'm making up numbers so that I can just make an illustration).

So that space between actuation and release is too large for "riding the point of actuation" or for doing true double taps.  Now if I need to do a double-tap, then I just hit the key two times in a row very fast;  in slow motion, my finger would probably be seen coming completely off the keycap just a little bit.

In other words, I'd say it depends on your gaming techniques.

Thanks for the replies guys smile.gif

How do you think MX Browns will handle gaming?
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It's all personal preference really. Some people can't stand the feel, sound while others grew to love it. Find one you enjoy and use it, completely subjective.
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If you completely bottom out the keys like on a membrane keyboard while gaming, it would be hard to tell the difference imho. On reds and blacks, you will be bottoming out since there is no tactile bump to let you know the key has registered.

I completely bottom out and it doesn't help any. It's not how far you press, it's how far you come back up after. I had no idea that I would have any problem using blues until I tried using my das to game with.
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It's all personal preference really. Some people can't stand the feel, sound while others grew to love it. Find one you enjoy and use it, completely subjective.

In the case of blues and gaming, it's not just feel. I really liked how the blues felt, but am not able to game on them due to many unregistered key presses.
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I've got blues and I freaking love them. The whole riding the actuation point double-tapping issue is only really relevant if you're looking to get insane APM (think starcraft players). If you play like a normal human being, I can't see how you could possibly need to float on your keys like that.

For the record, I've got three boards with Blues, Browns, and Ergo Clears, and I used to own a k90 with reds. The only twitch games I play are Dota and TF2, and after playing both with each board, I can say that I havent really found a problem playing with any board.

Moral of the story: If you touch-type (where you don't bottom out) and you're comfortable gaming that way, you *might* have an issue with blues and double clicking. Otherwise, just pick the board that you're most comfortable with. Its best if you can get out to a Fry's or Microcenter and actually try them out. Actually, With the new logitech out, you can go to a best buy and try out the blues on the razer blackwidow, browns on the logi 710+, and reds on the BW ultimate or either corsair board. Good luck! smile.gif
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I've got blues and I freaking love them. The whole riding the actuation point double-tapping issue is only really relevant if you're looking to get insane APM (think starcraft players). If you play like a normal human being, I can't see how you could possibly need to float on your keys like that.
For the record, I've got three boards with Blues, Browns, and Ergo Clears, and I used to own a k90 with reds. The only twitch games I play are Dota and TF2, and after playing both with each board, I can say that I havent really found a problem playing with any board.
Moral of the story: If you touch-type (where you don't bottom out) and you're comfortable gaming that way, you *might* have an issue with blues and double clicking. Otherwise, just pick the board that you're most comfortable with. Its best if you can get out to a Fry's or Microcenter and actually try them out. Actually, With the new logitech out, you can go to a best buy and try out the blues on the razer blackwidow, browns on the logi 710+, and reds on the BW ultimate or either corsair board. Good luck! smile.gif

Like I said, bottoming out has nothing to do with it. I bottom out and still have problems with blues.

Unfortunately, there's no way to really tell if you will have a problem with them until you try playing. It seems only around 10% of people have issues gaming with them, although it's hard to get statistics on that.
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post #9 of 21
Seems like it would be REALLY awkward to double tap without pulling your finger back far enough, but I guess thats why so few people have trouble with it tongue.gif

While it might seem sleazy, just buy a board from bestbuy, try it out, and return it. Then buy whatever you want. Or (better) check on here if anyone lives near you and would be willing to let you come check out their boards in person.
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Thanks for the replies guys smile.gif
How do you think MX Browns will handle gaming?

 

If you are extremely good at double-tapping or riding the point of actuation while gaming, then the Cherry MX Browns would be better because then you'd be able to double-tap and/or ride the point of actuation.

 

So I recommend paying attention to how you play:  if you were to record a video of your double-tapping and play it back in slow-motion, then would you see the key come all the way back up in between the two keypresses even if your finger never stops touching the keycap?  If so, then the Cherry MX Blues would definitely be an option for you.  If not, then they probably wouldn't be an option (and I do mean "probably").  In regards to riding the point of actuation, do you keep any of your keys pressed about halfway down while gaming?  If so, then the Cherry MX Blues definitely wouldn't be an option for you.  If not, then they probably would depending on your double-tapping technique

 

In other words, I think that your technique would have to be extremely refined and polished in order for to make the Cherry MX Blues a bad choice for gaming.

 

 

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I completely bottom out and it doesn't help any. It's not how far you press, it's how far you come back up after. I had no idea that I would have any problem using blues until I tried using my das to game with.
In the case of blues and gaming, it's not just feel. I really liked how the blues felt, but am not able to game on them due to many unregistered key presses.

 

This.

 

Not only is there a possibility for completely unregistered keypresses, but also keypresses that don't stop being sent as well due to not allowing the switch to come back up high enough.

 

 

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I've got blues and I freaking love them. The whole riding the actuation point double-tapping issue is only really relevant if you're looking to get insane APM (think starcraft players). If you play like a normal human being, I can't see how you could possibly need to float on your keys like that.

 

This.

 

Like I said, I think that this would mostly be an issue if your technique is very refined and polished to the point where you can game at a professional level.  Me, pff, I just play and I don't care about technique so much.  I'd rather have fun instead of getting too competitive.  :)  Therefore, the Cherry MX Blues are fine for me.

    
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