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I thought they were moving to 1150 anyway.

Haswell is DDR3 on 1150. Broadwell will be DDR4 on an unknown socket. You can't make a CPU work with a different type of memory if the memory controller doesn't support it. The only way Broadwell will work on 1150 DDR3 motherboards is if it includes a legacy DDR3 controller in addition to the DDR4 controller, which, knowing Intel, probably will NOT happen.

Also, if the SOC rumors are true, then it won't work no matter what. It'll require a completely different pinout.
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Haswell is DDR3 on 1150. Broadwell will be DDR4 on an unknown socket. You can't make a CPU work with a different type of memory if the memory controller doesn't support it. The only way Broadwell will work on 1150 DDR3 motherboards is if it includes a legacy DDR3 controller in addition to the DDR4 controller, which, knowing Intel, probably will NOT happen.
Also, if the SOC rumors are true, then it won't work no matter what. It'll require a completely different pinout.

I just don't get it though. I get DDR4 incompatibility but why does Broadwell need to be on a different socket? And considering the cycle after will be architecture won't this also put it on an EOL socket?
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I just don't get it though. I get DDR4 incompatibility but why does Broadwell need to be on a different socket? And considering the cycle after will be architecture won't this also put it on an EOL socket?

Why does Intel need to use a different socket? Because mo' money mo' money!
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I just don't get it though. I get DDR4 incompatibility but why does Broadwell need to be on a different socket? And considering the cycle after will be architecture won't this also put it on an EOL socket?

DDR2 was not compatible with DDR3. DDR3 will not be compatible with DDR4. If they're the same socket, and there's absolutely no compatibility between the two, then it's just asking for trouble. People will stick Broadwell chips into Haswell motherboards and wonder why the hell it isn't working, even though it fits, and vice versa.
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See I don't buy it, because of things like this. I agree more with the mo' money argument.
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See I don't buy it, because of things like this. I agree more with the mo' money argument.

Because the chipset had the capability of communicating with DDR2 or DDR3. That particular chipset straddled the two generations.

Also, there was a major limitation with that. You can only use DDR2 OR DDR3. You cannot use both at the same time.

Anyways, this is a matter of what features the IMC has. If the IMC on Broadwell only supports DDR4 (and there's good reason to believe this), then it won't be backwards compatible. If the IMC on Broadwell is configured to work with both DDR3 and DDR4, then it will be backwards compatible.

There's also the question of the southbridge being integrated on the CPU. If it is integrated, there's absolutely no way it will be backwards compatible.
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I still can't be de-convinced that Intel is trying to push diehard desktop users towards server prices, considering that most people can get by with mobile devices. I admit I'm one to wear a tin foil hat sometimes, but to me it seems like a logical step, considering that when it's all said and done personal desktops are going to be more of a hobby or a home business tool than a necessity.

Case-in-point: Aside from the near-political negative spin of the source, it is a valid point to note that the variations in the chipsets are being based on business-relevant options. If southbridge is going to be integrated, it would seem that Broadwell will be very much more versatile in providing people said options.
Edited by un-midas touch - 10/27/12 at 12:39am
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The point I'm talking about is Broadwell being compatible with upcoming Haswell boards. You're talking off on a tangent here, the number of chipsets Intel is making for each generation has absolutely nothing to do with Broadwell and Haswell boards being compatible with either CPU.

Let me put it simple for you. If Broadwell does not have a legacy DDR3 controller in addition to the DDR4 controller (very likely), then it will not be compatible with upcoming Haswell boards. Likewise, Haswell will not work with Broadwell DDR4 boards due to the lack of a DDR4 controller. If Broadwell moves the southbridge onto the die, then it is guaranteed that Broadwell will not be compatible with Haswell boards, and vice versa. The pinout will be completely different (i.e. SATA will link directly to Broadwell CPUs instead of the southbridge as is being done on Haswell and current Intel chips, etc.).
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No you've explained yourself just fine and I was on a tangent. My mistake was trying to speculate beyond broadwell, only because it would appear that since whatever chip is implemented after that would also need a new socket due to the architecture cycle coming next. Who knows, they might pull something out of left field for all we know.
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Why does Intel need to use a different socket? Because mo' money mo' money!

Intel innovates and changes things up which requires socket changes. The specific pin outs in the socket change. Its not like Intel changes the socket just for fun. It always makes me laugh when people complain because spending 130 on a new board is really expensive rolleyes.gif
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