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Intel innovates and changes things up which requires socket changes. The specific pin outs in the socket change. Its not like Intel changes the socket just for fun. It always makes me laugh when people complain because spending 130 on a new board is really expensive rolleyes.gif
This, I'd rather buy a new CPU and motherboard than just a new CPU that will be held back by the older motherboard.

Also, I thought DDR4 would be introduced with Haswell EP, with Broadwell (being a consumer product) being fully compatible with Haswell boards after a BIOS update and thus staying with DDR3. Then once DDR4 has some momentum in the server market it would go mainstream with Skylake. That's just based on what rumours I read, maybe I have missed something.
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Thread is compromised. EVACUATE! (no offense anybody).
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charlie are the usual stupid troll rolleyes.gif
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DDR2 was not compatible with DDR3. DDR3 will not be compatible with DDR4. If they're the same socket, and there's absolutely no compatibility between the two, then it's just asking for trouble. People will stick Broadwell chips into Haswell motherboards and wonder why the hell it isn't working, even though it fits, and vice versa.

The memory controllers are built into the silicon now, so there wouldn't be compatibility issues with the motherboard; the memory traces as well as the interface could be the same for both DDR3 and DDR4. The only thing that would prevent Haswell and Broadwell from sharing the same motherboard is different pinouts.

AMD supported DDR2 on their AM3 processors as they had both controllers built in. This takes up a lot of space on the die itself.
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Unfortunately there's a post you missed after that one that negates your findings (using educated speculation, of course, seeing as how this is the section for doing that).
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The memory controllers are built into the silicon now, so there wouldn't be compatibility issues with the motherboard; the memory traces as well as the interface could be the same for both DDR3 and DDR4. The only thing that would prevent Haswell and Broadwell from sharing the same motherboard is different pinouts.
AMD supported DDR2 on their AM3 processors as they had both controllers built in. This takes up a lot of space on the die itself.

DDR3 uses a completely different communication system from DDR4. There is no way in hell the two will be compatible.

Without getting into technical changes, one of the biggest differences will be a maximum of 1 RAM slot per channel, not 2 as is currently seen in DDR3.
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Still no explanation of what this has to do with AMD. You've disappointed me, thread.
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http://www.intel.com/support/software/applications/sba/sb/CS-033348.htm

That's from Intel about what SBA ACTUALLY is. No thanks, Charlie. These actually look like good features. Go back to worshipping at your altar of FX-8150's and 7970's.

So, it's the word of marketing vs the word of someone who makes rumours based off uncredited moles inside companies? I won't trust either word explicitly kthx.
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Z88 Lol ,the intel chipset release slides have already been shown.

Deja vu, I remember when Charlie was saying Fermi was launching in March, nVidia was sticking to December and everyone believed nVidia..until they said March.
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Meta-Off-Topic: How many chipsets will there be for Haswell?

Pure speculation but basing off the P67->Z68->Z77 I imagine Haswell will be more or less the same. It will start with Z87 and when the die shrink hits Z97 will release. Substitute Z for B and H versions. Not sure what the Q letter will have. I assume B is replacing P.

Q is for business and B is budget iirc. (There's already a B75 chipset.)
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Pure speculation but basing off the P67->Z68->Z77 I imagine Haswell will be more or less the same. It will start with Z87 and when the die shrink hits Z97 will release. Substitute Z for B and H versions. Not sure what the Q letter will have. I assume B is replacing P.

Z97 will almost definitely be Broadwell only, and not Haswell compatible.

If they're on the same socket, I can't see that happening; you don't see many people running SB on Z77 but its possible.
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This is guy is delusional in his assertions... Intel isn't worried about small businesses, rather corporations, AMD is noncompetitive there.

That's the problem with Charlie's articles, while he (A lot of the time, anyway) has good information, he doesn't really look past his own opinion enough. 100% correct though.
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So Intel is scarred of AMD now? I thought It was the other way around or something.

Not even close. There is just no competition and I doubt Steamroller with its Bulldozer background will be able to catch up with Hasewell, good for AMD they went lucky this round in their GPU division, If they didn't AMD would be a history...

While I doubt SR will match Haswell, BD's architecture is unproven to be either crap or great, nor do we really know enough about Haswell, remember that OCability did go down with IvB..What if it does with Haswell again? Intel has the IPC but if AMD had the clocks...Especially since SR will dramatically help single-threaded execution simply by duplicating the decoder. (iirc, BD can improve up to 40% by making it have 1C/1M, some of that would be other things but I'd imagine a significant amount would be the decoder)
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unless they change sockets or memory type (DDR3>DDR4) i doubt that. itll be just like SB/IB all the chipsets between h61-z77 are compatible (with bios update) between them and with broadwell being a die shrink of haswell theres no reason to believe the trend wont remain the same.

Broadwell will get DDR4, and is also rumoured to have the southbridge integrated onto the chip. DDR4 might not break compatibility if it includes a DDR3 controller, but the integrated southbridge will. Knowing Intel, they will most likely not put a legacy DDR3 controller on Broadwell.

Wait, wasn't it Skylake DDR4? Broadwell-E has DDR4 but last I checked Broadwell for Socket 1150 is DDR3. Although I can see it being wrong, as Broadwell is rumoured to move to a MCM Package with the PCH on die, however the article that said that was ancient and also said Intel was going to use chip stacking on IvB to have up to 1GB vRAM on their CPUs for the IGP.

I can't find anything saying mainstream Broadwell has DDR4, care to link to proof? I'm not meaning Haswell-EX or Broadwell-E, either.
    
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I just bloody ordered a 3930K. Are you freaking kidding me.
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Wait, wasn't it Skylake DDR4? Broadwell-E has DDR4 but last I checked Broadwell for Socket 1150 is DDR3. Although I can see it being wrong, as Broadwell is rumoured to move to a MCM Package with the PCH on die, however the article that said that was ancient and also said Intel was going to use chip stacking on IvB to have up to 1GB vRAM on their CPUs for the IGP.
I can't find anything saying mainstream Broadwell has DDR4, care to link to proof? I'm not meaning Haswell-EX or Broadwell-E, either.

Huh, I swear I read it somewhere. Then again, I might have been mistaken or remembered it wrong. I thought for sure I saw a slide that showed Broadwell and Haswell-E adopting DDR4 at the same time. Can't find it anymore though.

Edit: Also, if Broadwell does in fact adopt a true SOC design, it will break compatibility with Haswell boards anyways.
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I just bloody ordered a 3930K. Are you freaking kidding me.

X79 still has IB-E to upgrade to.
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