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Well, every piece of hardware I have states that if you operate it outside of spec (be it clock, volts, or even temps) the warranty is void. nVidia could have just said that instead of locking down the cards. It should be that if the card has obviously been ran out of spec, they just send it back unrepaired.

I don't think cars should have padlocks on the oil filler cap to prevent someone from putting to much oil in and blowing the seals.

A warranty is there to fix "defects in materials and workmanship" not user damage. Apparently RMA'ing abused kit is all the rage these days, but it used to be that if you roasted a die, you suck it up and learn a lesson instead of conning the OEM out of another card.
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For me ... unlikely. When I converted one of my houses bedrooms to a computer room, I ran 2 new 20A breakers to it ... 1 for me and my computer, and 1 for my wife.
That would have to be one heck of a video card to trip a 120VAC @ 20A breaker (aka 2400 watts). biggrin.gif

Yea I was gonna say, if you haven't upgraded the PSU of your HOUSE to a level that is adequate, maaaaybee you should reassess your financial priorities...
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For me ... unlikely. When I converted one of my houses bedrooms to a computer room, I ran 2 new 20A breakers to it ... 1 for me and my computer, and 1 for my wife.
That would have to be one heck of a video card to trip a 120VAC @ 20A breaker (aka 2400 watts). biggrin.gif

Yea I was gonna say, if you haven't upgraded the PSU of your HOUSE to a level that is adequate, maaaaybee you should reassess your financial priorities...[/quoteT



This was epic im still laughing.....
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i have 1 question for anybody who has been following this, why should anybody have to honour a warranty if the product is ran out of the spec they sold it?

 

Nope, run out of spec and warranty void, but removing the CHOICE to overvolt (fit nitrous) and thus voiding your own warranty is not so good.

 

I like to have that choice and not be locked down.

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i have 1 question for anybody who has been following this, why should anybody have to honour a warranty if the product is ran out of the spec they sold it?

Nope, run out of spec and warranty void, but removing the CHOICE to overvolt (fit nitrous) and thus voiding your own warranty is not so good.

I like to have that choice and not be locked down.

but if you read it that is what nv have said, msi, evga who ever can sell cards at what ever spec they want if they deal with the rma but nv will not anymore. only cards ran at their spec will be covered by their warranty.

the thing of it is msi and evga are saying nv wont honour warranty when its not the cut and dry, its that they dont want to have to pay for the cards they sell which they know will die early.

nvidia is getting all the hate when its evga, msi, asus who are being the *****es imo, they just want to word it so its painting nv as the bad guy when its not them.
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Really don't care.
I just get a 150MHz - 180MHz on the core and around 250MHz or more on the memory an I'm fine. Overclocking doesn't give too much of a performance difference. Maybe at most a few FPS. Not a big game changer, as long as Nvidia has good cards for a decent price.
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I run a 248 MHz Core over clock 24/7. Not saying being voltage capped is good or not but wasn't needed in my case even if it was available to me. Not too shabby for a lot of the Kepler cards and more consistent over clocking than last year.
     
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Voltage is typically not a problem, but the heat. But given how poor nvidia's VRMs have been over the past couple generations, I'm not surprised. They have been skimping on quality design for quite some time now.
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Voltage is typically not a problem, but the heat. But given how poor nvidia's VRMs have been over the past couple generations, I'm not surprised. They have been skimping on quality design for quite some time now.

They just dont want to overbuild them to handle high voltages.
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Voltage is typically not a problem, but the heat. But given how poor nvidia's VRMs have been over the past couple generations, I'm not surprised. They have been skimping on quality design for quite some time now.

They just dont want to overbuild them to handle high voltages.

No, what they do is that their engineers are told that they want to build the best they can with the least cost possible, so they skimped on VRM design. So they design the chips to handle a voltage set for. It's shoddy engineering work; making it just reach the minimal spec. It's actually quite against our ethics training. We aren't suppose to but typically, we always end up with what is requested. It's obvious that nvidia doesn't care, they will skimp on anything they can just to save a few cents.

At least AMD have better standards.
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Voltage is typically not a problem, but the heat. But given how poor nvidia's VRMs have been over the past couple generations, I'm not surprised. They have been skimping on quality design for quite some time now.

They just dont want to overbuild them to handle high voltages.

No, what they do is that their engineers are told that they want to build the best they can with the least cost possible, so they skimped on VRM design. So they design the chips to handle a voltage set for. It's shoddy engineering work; making it just reach the minimal spec. It's actually quite against our ethics training. We aren't suppose to but typically, we always end up with what is requested. It's obvious that nvidia doesn't care, they will skimp on anything they can just to save a few cents.

At least AMD have better standards.

And overbuilding benefits us anyway, it increases card life-time..Why do you think most modern good brand PSUs can put out more wattage than they're rated for?
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