[VRZ] Nvidia's Green Light Program Overclocking Limitations - Origins and Implications - Page 13

Originally Posted by Domino 

No, what they do is that their engineers are told that they want to build the best they can with the least cost possible, so they skimped on VRM design. So they design the chips to handle a voltage set for. It's shoddy engineering work; making it just reach the minimal spec. It's actually quite against our ethics training. We aren't suppose to but typically, we always end up with what is requested. It's obvious that nvidia doesn't care, they will skimp on anything they can just to save a few cents.
At least AMD have better standards.

Originally Posted by Arizonian 

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Originally Posted by cravinmild 

So now if venders want to release cards with features which allow the cards to run out of spec then they are responsible for replacing cards that rma. Is NVidia refusing to sell cards to venders who break the rules or making them responsible for their actions, idk. If that's the case it seems logical for NVidia to do.

Originally Posted by DuckieHo 

Intel has done worse things in the past....

Originally Posted by Celeras 

This is what happens when AMD is so pathetically non-competitive, imo. And I personally have a hard time caring when their product as-is is so vastly superior.

Originally Posted by Arizonian 


No Nvidia clearly is allowing vendors to use over voltage and will continue to sell their cards to their vendors. The moment Nvidia said they wouldn't cover RMA's if vendors supported unlocked cards the vendors decided they didn't want to support the RMA's either.

Any vendor can take the reference card and do what ever they want in their non-reference versions and allow for unlocked cards but at their own liability which they don't want to assume.

Originally Posted by Arizonian 

Yes I did. In fact Nvidia does 3-D vision much better. I left AMD for a 3D Vision gaming system when the 580 came out. I'm actually very pleased with Nvidia. Without voltage I got a 255 MHz overclock on my 690 Core with no voltage increase and if I want real 3-D vision I'm forced to stick with Nvidia.
So don't assume no one is buying NVidia for 3-D vision. It's a small percent albeit, but we are out here. See 3-D vision club link in signature.

Originally Posted by Arizonian 

I'd say that's false unless you work for NVidia or have some documented proof their engineers were told this. No it's not obvious NVidia dosen't care.
What makes you think that AMD cards can handle voltage and it doesn't cause degradation? I see a lot of people who over volted RMA cards reading AMD threads. What makes you think it wasn't from over volting? It can't be proven either way. So claiming that NVidia makes less capable components is inaccurate because they want their cards to run in spec. AMD also has a ceiling with its specs your just allowed to exceed them bad or not. Wish we were too because its the principal more than the need with Kepler cards.
Last year the debacle was the 570 & 590's that had VRAM issues I will concur. Beyond that, none. Despite what AMD fans were saying last year. I had my 580 over clocked and over volted to bench no problem. Even though its not the case any longer people don't see it any other way moving forward. Like AMD drivers even though they are doing great once you have this misconception fan boys won't let go of it.
This year NVidia locked voltage in a highly controversial bold move. This year you didn't hear one story I fried my card from irresponsible over volting which isn't the card but end user fault. NVidia just announced a huge surge in profits 3rd quarter and give success in part credit to Kepler. With less RMA's 4th quarter will be even more promising.
You know AMD will take notice of free money NVidia got to keep from not RMA'ing as many cards. AMD could follow Nvidia's lead next series's and they won't be the bad guy since NVidia did it first. If AMD does this it doesn't mean it's because AMD makes shoddy parts as your suggesting Nvidia makes because they also might want to curtail lost profits running cards in spec.
You stated an observation, not fact. Your welcome to your opinion.