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Originally Posted by Brutuz View Post

Lets all buy cheap PSUs and cheap motherboards, they just work, right? Sure, they won't last anywhere nearly as long but they will work. rolleyes.gif
Anyone want to read up the specs on the parts used in nVidia's VRMs? Maybe we can get an true, completely unbiased and fully proven idea of quality then, because from what I've seen it's more due to cheap VRMs, unless you're counting nVidia's word...Which is pretty unbiased, right? If it's electromigration, why aren't owners of 680s that support OVing reporting heaps of deaths or degradation as is typical of electromigration? Why is AMD (Who are using the exact same process) not reporting electromigration? The VRM design (as far as I can actually tell) is done as cheap as possible...the GTX 570 and GTX 590 having a few cards blowing up at stock when you had a bad batch of VRMs capable of easily delivering less current prove that nVidia really is making VRMs that can power the GPU at rated speeds but not much higher, it is gimped assuming that is true.
This program is a brilliant move by Nvidia from a financial standpoint. Please explain to me why Nvidia should have to foot the bill for some pimple faced nerd, just so he can pump dangerous amounts of voltage into his card for a 5fps gain? You people are very irrational and don't make any common sense. I'll bet my rig that AMD follows suit next gen with a similar program to green light. What are you going to say then? Of course you'll laud that as a great move by AMD, which it would be in my opinion.

The AMD ship is sinking fast, and they need to make some drastic changes if they plan on saving their company. Implementing a program like this would be a good first step.
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Originally Posted by Brutuz View Post

Lets all buy cheap PSUs and cheap motherboards, they just work, right? Sure, they won't last anywhere nearly as long but they will work. rolleyes.gif
Anyone want to read up the specs on the parts used in nVidia's VRMs? Maybe we can get an true, completely unbiased and fully proven idea of quality then, because from what I've seen it's more due to cheap VRMs, unless you're counting nVidia's word...Which is pretty unbiased, right? If it's electromigration, why aren't owners of 680s that support OVing reporting heaps of deaths or degradation as is typical of electromigration? Why is AMD (Who are using the exact same process) not reporting electromigration? The VRM design (as far as I can actually tell) is done as cheap as possible...the GTX 570 and GTX 590 having a few cards blowing up at stock when you had a bad batch of VRMs capable of easily delivering less current prove that nVidia really is making VRMs that can power the GPU at rated speeds but not much higher, it is gimped assuming that is true.
This program is a brilliant move by Nvidia from a financial standpoint. Please explain to me why Nvidia should have to foot the bill for some pimple faced nerd, just so he can pump dangerous amounts of voltage into his card for a 5fps gain? You people are very irrational and don't make any common sense. I'll bet my rig that AMD follows suit next gen with a similar program to green light. What are you going to say then? Of course you'll laud that as a great move by AMD, which it would be in my opinion.

The AMD ship is sinking fast, and they need to make some drastic changes if they plan on saving their company. Implementing a program like this would be a good first step.

If you're defending this move, you're ignorant, stupid or a fanboy..There is no defense, it means cards won't last as long, that nVidia doesn't have as much tolerance for bad VRM batches (As the GTX 570/590 debacle proves) and it's good for no-one but nVidia, even if you don't want to OC/OV you should be complaining..How would you feel if Corsair and Antec started using cheap, crappy components in their PSUs? It saves money, after all. Why is it dangerous voltage? AMD is on the exact same process and these "dangerous voltages" don't seem to harm them..Or the owners of 680s that do OV or are OVed, that's pure crap from nVidia to cover up the whole cheap board stuff. You might enjoy taking the shaft from companies, but they (Most of them, anyway) already have enough money, I'd rather them spend a bit more to ensure that if I want to continue using their GPU for years to come that I can, hell, I'm still using my 9800GTX+ as a spare card. As for implying me to be a fanboy..I'm probably one of the least biased people on this forum, I run Intel, AMD and nVidia regularly, my main rigs GPU was a GTX 470, my server has a 9800GTX+ in it (No IGP), my laptop has a HD545v and my girlfriends PC a HD7850, I buy whatever is best for me at my price-range and prefer to compare real-world applications rather than benchmarks that inflate non-existent differences.

Yes, AMD is sinking fast despite significantly reducing their debt. rolleyes.gif You clearly are one of the people who take things at face value, sure, it's great for nVidia's financial books to use crappy VRMs as 1) It means they pay less per card, 2) some users are forced to buy newer cards as their old ones are going to fail sooner, 3) it reduces the used market...If there's rumours of OVing going around a few people at least will be iffy about buying used for the chance of the former owner OVing the card, but I don't give a crap about nVidia, AMD or Intel, why should I? They don't give a crap about me nor do I pretend that they do, I want what is best for the consumer and so should you unless you're working for one of those companies in a position where your income would be directly effected by how much they're profit they're making per part.
post #153 of 182
It's sad to see people on overclocking site defending gimped card designs frown.gif Sure, subpar VRM's may be fine in low-end products but it's just plain wrong when you pay 500$ for enthusiast card and it has cheap components. If Nvidia continues this I will switch to AMD and never look back.
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post #154 of 182
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pimple faced nerd, just so he can pump dangerous amounts of voltage into his card for a 5fps gain?
I think you're on the wrong site.....

EDIT: Your handle is also quite ironic
post #155 of 182
I blame Al Gore for this.

Not for "inventing the internet", but for pushing the green movement.
post #156 of 182
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Originally Posted by Brutuz View Post

If you're defending this move, you're ignorant, stupid or a fanboy..There is no defense, it means cards won't last as long, that nVidia doesn't have as much tolerance for bad VRM batches (As the GTX 570/590 debacle proves) and it's good for no-one but nVidia, even if you don't want to OC/OV you should be complaining..How would you feel if Corsair and Antec started using cheap, crappy components in their PSUs? It saves money, after all. Why is it dangerous voltage? AMD is on the exact same process and these "dangerous voltages" don't seem to harm them..Or the owners of 680s that do OV or are OVed, that's pure crap from nVidia to cover up the whole cheap board stuff. You might enjoy taking the shaft from companies, but they (Most of them, anyway) already have enough money, I'd rather them spend a bit more to ensure that if I want to continue using their GPU for years to come that I can, hell, I'm still using my 9800GTX+ as a spare card. As for implying me to be a fanboy..I'm probably one of the least biased people on this forum, I run Intel, AMD and nVidia regularly, my main rigs GPU was a GTX 470, my server has a 9800GTX+ in it (No IGP), my laptop has a HD545v and my girlfriends PC a HD7850, I buy whatever is best for me at my price-range and prefer to compare real-world applications rather than benchmarks that inflate non-existent differences.
Yes, AMD is sinking fast despite significantly reducing their debt. rolleyes.gif You clearly are one of the people who take things at face value, sure, it's great for nVidia's financial books to use crappy VRMs as 1) It means they pay less per card, 2) some users are forced to buy newer cards as their old ones are going to fail sooner, 3) it reduces the used market...If there's rumours of OVing going around a few people at least will be iffy about buying used for the chance of the former owner OVing the card, but I don't give a crap about nVidia, AMD or Intel, why should I? They don't give a crap about me nor do I pretend that they do, I want what is best for the consumer and so should you unless you're working for one of those companies in a position where your income would be directly effected by how much they're profit they're making per part.
Your post is just a bunch or hot air, time will tell who is right. Also, I could care less what you have in your sig rig becaus it's not about that.
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It's sad to see people on overclocking site defending gimped card designs frown.gif Sure, subpar VRM's may be fine in low-end products but it's just plain wrong when you pay 500$ for enthusiast card and it has cheap components. If Nvidia continues this I will switch to AMD and never look back.
Where is your proof that Kepler
has weak vrms???
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I think you're on the wrong site.....
EDIT: Your handle is also quite ironic
Nope, I'm on the right site. I'm not against overclocking at all. My point is that Nvidia or AMD should not be obligated to replace hardware for numb skulls who kill their cards overclocking.

Edit: Sure it's ironic because I'm not one of the fanboys condemning Nvidia for being smart?

User A opinion is different from user B opinion. So by default that makes at least one of them a fanboy, right? Gotta love the logic around this place, or lack thereof.
Edited by hangallfanboyz - 11/14/12 at 5:34am
post #157 of 182
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Originally Posted by Brutuz View Post

If you're defending this move, you're ignorant, stupid or a fanboy..There is no defense, it means cards won't last as long, that nVidia doesn't have as much tolerance for bad VRM batches (As the GTX 570/590 debacle proves) and it's good for no-one but nVidia, even if you don't want to OC/OV you should be complaining..[...]

I haven't heard about any VRM related issues with 6xx series cards, so by definition they are sufficiently good at worst, since there is no problems with them.

Just cause 570 had issues.doesn't matter that 2 years later new model are susceptible to the same issues. I remember AMD card having crap VRM cooling with them hitting up to 100 degrees under load and also dying, doesn't mean then 7970 has crappy VRM cooling, does it?

And the voltage lock affected only high-end models with custom power circuitry that is definitely enough to handle extra juice. Also AIB partners still can sell cards with voltage controls, their margins are likely not that high, so they refuse to cover warranty by themselves.

I tend to believe that GK104 are pushed to it's limits as is and extra voltage might cause silicon degradation. It's a known fact that GK104 doesn't clock that much better with added voltage and overclocking past certain clock yield lower gains per MHz. NVIDIA surely know the innards of their chips better and what they can handle. It's is a mid range chip promoted to high end due to lackluster AMD's performance increases over 580.

I guess we'll see if NVIDIA really tried to save on reference designs and RMAs or it's a current chip issue, when 7 series hits.
post #158 of 182
Nvidia has had cheap VRM's before, both 570 and 590 were notorious for it. First Fermi generation (470 and 480) had good PCB design and no problems with overvolting. Here's reference GTX 670 PCB, does that look like a high-end card?

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Originally Posted by Dyson Poindexter View Post

Ever since the g92 rebranding, I can't stand nVidia's market practices.

If you honestly think the G92 rebrand is that bad, then you did it wrong. tongue.gif
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Nvidia has had cheap VRM's before, both 570 and 590 were notorious for it. First Fermi generation (470 and 480) had good PCB design and no problems with overvolting. Here's reference GTX 670 PCB, does that look like a high-end card?

They weren't cheap VRMs, there just weren't enough. The GTX 580 had six, but the GTX 570 only had four. It was merely one too few. tongue.gif If they'd made the GPU with five, the GTX 570 would have been fine. tongue.gif
   
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Your post is just a bunch or hot air, time will tell who is right. Also, I could care less what you have in your sig rig becaus it's not about that.

The term is couldn't care less.. I'm not targeting you but it just annoys me how much I see this. redface.gif
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