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Indeed, although i wish their TDP was more refined like Nvidia's. 4x 7970 is shocking in power consumption, absolutely shocking.

Yes, I hear quad 7970s can kill psu and trip circuit breakers quite easily biggrin.gif I'm eying three of them down the road and maybe a 4th thinking.gif


I'm no stranger having ran quad 480s redface.gif
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nVidia don't care about the GeForce market anymore, plain and simple; they get much more revenue from a Tesla or a Quadro than a GeForce, they also try to bully all of their AICs into doing what they want (Which is, IMO, as bad as Intel threatening Dell, HP, etc when the Athlon64 was king) and in this case, it's ensuring they have to give the GeForce market the bare minimum of functioning dies; I won't be surprised if nVidia completely drop the retail desktop market eventually if their tactics cause AMD to get ahead significantly.
This is also a result of nVidia's big die strategy biting them in the rear end big time, they're spending way too much per die (Maybe this is the real reason we got GK104 instead of GK100?) because the size is colossal for nVidia's top dog GPU every generation since G80. Seriously, I think Fermi actually set size records...Something I found funny in the article was: "Now, where's AMD with parts that will blow Kepler and Kepler Refresh out of the water?" Am I right in thinking AMD has already blown Kepler out of the water from day one? It had the OCing advantage.
Can't really blame them for "bullying" their AICs into not losing NVidia money, it is a business IIRC.

Anyway, doesn't the Geforce market provide most of the bulk cash and justification for the fabs and R&D? I was under the impression NV had an intel-esque setup going on at the moment.

They won't be losing money, it's just much higher profit for the Tesla and Quadro markets, and their main makets are moving to those.
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I don't understand what everyone is whining about.

The vendors can choose to "Allow the GPU to be manually operated outside specs in which case NVIDIA provides no warranty."

Are we really so entitled to expect NVIDIA to provide a warranty on a product that has been taken out of design specs? Overclocking is so mainstream (cards being sold with boosted clocks), that if NVIDIA allows this to continue, they'll have another 8600m fiasco on their hands. One day they'll release a card generation that dies early due to overclocking, and they'll be blamed for having such a lax policy.

Of course this provides a competitive advantage to AMD, but that doesn't mean that this move by NVIDIA should be vilified.

If it is the warranty that actually is the issue, why aren't OEMs releasing OV capable cards without warranties or only DoA warranties? I'd buy one if it had the DoA warranty, because that performance increase would be worth it.
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In all honesty, it looks their trying to "protect" their upcoming cards by making sure its older brother doesn't compete with it. Plain and simple. To me, it sounds like they couldn't really make the gtx 780 all that great without crippling the gtx 680. Lame, not buying Nvidia anymore. Amd has been on the right track for these last couple of gens so they earned my next upgrade thumb.gif

Indeed, although i wish their TDP was more refined like Nvidia's. 4x 7970 is shocking in power consumption, absolutely shocking.

Yeah, it's up there with Fermi.
    
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This is what happens when AMD is so pathetically non-competitive, imo. And I personally have a hard time caring when their product as-is is so vastly superior.
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AMD is so pathetically non-competitive
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They're really quite close...
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They're really quite close...

Agreed, not sure what he's been reading.
 
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I don't understand what everyone is whining about.
The vendors can choose to "Allow the GPU to be manually operated outside specs in which case NVIDIA provides no warranty."
Are we really so entitled to expect NVIDIA to provide a warranty on a product that has been taken out of design specs? Overclocking is so mainstream (cards being sold with boosted clocks), that if NVIDIA allows this to continue, they'll have another 8600m fiasco on their hands. One day they'll release a card generation that dies early due to overclocking, and they'll be blamed for having such a lax policy.
Of course this provides a competitive advantage to AMD, but that doesn't mean that this move by NVIDIA should be vilified.

I think there's more going on behind the scenes than just that. There's the possibility of A. nVidia will void warranty on ALL their cards, not just the ones that get overvolting or B. nVidia will reduce supply of the chips to the manufacturer if they do choose to release overvolting cards. B is what MSI claims nVidia is doing.
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Indeed, although i wish their TDP was more refined like Nvidia's. 4x 7970 is shocking in power consumption, absolutely shocking.

AMD chose to release a card that was good at GPGPU as well as gaming. nVidia chose to release a card that was only good at gaming and sucked at GPGPU. Adding GPGPU features increased TDP and power consumption for greater versatility.
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This is what happens when AMD is so pathetically non-competitive, imo. And I personally have a hard time caring when their product as-is is so vastly superior.

I don't know about you, but the last I saw the 7970 and 680 were trading blows, and the 7970 is significantly cheaper.
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Agreed, not sure what he's been reading.

I think his sig should explain everything.
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I think his sig should explain everything.
Ah, yep, that makes sense now. Move along.
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Amd has been on the right track for these last couple of gens so they earned my next upgrade thumb.gif
Just the 7xxx series. 6xxx were a completely and utterly failed attempt at competing with Fermi.
I guess we'll see how 8xxx do.
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They're really quite close...
Benchmarks - yes. Sales figures - no.
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Just the 7xxx series. 6xxx were a completely and utterly failed attempt at competing with Fermi.
I guess we'll see how 8xxx do.
Benchmarks - yes. Sales figures - no.


I look at the whole thing, not just performance. 6970s were priced under the 580 and were not too far off in terms of performance. It was a step in the right direction especially since it improved a lot from the previous 5870 (thought heat and noise were still an issue imho biggrin.gif). Then there was that infamous tri-sli gtx 580 vs 6990 + 6970 crossfire review rolleyes.gif

I briefly had a 7970 and it was delicously awesome. I went with another 590 as that was a more direct upgrade path and least costly. Tax return next year and I'm going Tahiti biggrin.gif
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Agreed, not sure what he's been reading.
It's the standard garbage that he posts. Doesn't matter how well AMD is doing — Nvidia/JHH's ego is and always will be limitless.
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