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When we started manufacturing AMD boards, Nvidia told us that they will cut our allocation and they did.

what the christ, why the hell does nVidia just get a free pass for all the crap like this that seems to come out every other month?

I'm sorry but as a consumer who likes to see competition for the benefit of consumers, this just pisses me off
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This is what happens when AMD is so pathetically non-competitive, imo. And I personally have a hard time caring when their product as-is is so vastly superior.
AMD was equal before 12.11 drivers, now they're faster. A GTX 680 runs at nearly fully OCed speeds when it's at "stock" while a HD7970 was running at actual stock speeds..and OCed higher than any non-OVing 680, while gaining more per clock. It's like Sandy Bridge vs Phenom II but with a smaller difference, it has higher IPC and higher clocks.
    
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If manufacturers really had ethics, they would simply say we've had enough of this and go solely AMD gfx in future.

I'm sure if some of the top Nvidia gfx card manufacturers all said they've had enough and switch to AMD only, Nvidia would soon change their stance pretty quick.

I know in years gone by, this is exactly what gfx card and mobo manufacturers used to do - so why do they not have the gusto to do it now?
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If manufacturers really had ethics, they would simply say we've had enough of this and go solely AMD gfx in future.
I'm sure if some of the top Nvidia gfx card manufacturers all said they've had enough and switch to AMD only, Nvidia would soon change their stance pretty quick.
I know in years gone by, this is exactly what gfx card and mobo manufacturers used to do - so why do they not have the gusto to do it now?

Its too of a bold move and could put a company in danger. Those companies that cater to both side can easily make up any loss through the other "camp". But, EVGA (some Nvidia only makers), I only see them as bending over and taking it. Tbh, I don't feel that bad for them as their current crop of motherboads are a major let down.
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i don't see any jump shift for nvidia gpu manufacturers to stop. nvidia still controls most of the gaming gpu sector, mostly due to marketing and referrals. a jump wouldn't happen until the gap in between AMD and Nvidia is so large with the overclocking potential on, that AMD will have a vast majority of users. I cant see that happening till AMD has something that can almost counter every Nvidia perks(so that means amd would have to work more on their 3d, have something similar to physx, have an answer to adaptive vsync, get more businesses to use gpgpu over cuda in their programming) and till then I don't see nvidia having to change their stance for awhile, as nvidia users will defend those perks and stay green.
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Its too of a bold move and could put a company in danger.
I call BS on this. Nvidia would like you to believe it is too bold a move - but they have a HUGE monetary incentive to make you believe that.

At the end of the day, if EVGA said FU to Nvidia due to Nvidia's current business model and practices, and moved to AMD only, I am sure it will hurt Nvidia's bottom line more than AMD.

Companies just need to grow a pair and take a stand.
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Those companies that cater to both side can easily make up any loss through the other "camp". But, EVGA (some Nvidia only makers), I only see them as bending over and taking it. Tbh, I don't feel that bad for them as their current crop of motherboads are a major let down.
If all they do is take it and never take a stand, then EVGA will eventually fail anyway.
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I call BS on this. Nvidia would like you to believe it is too bold a move - but they have a HUGE monetary incentive to make you believe that.
At the end of the day, if EVGA said FU to Nvidia due to Nvidia's current business model and practices, and moved to AMD only, I am sure it will hurt Nvidia's bottom line more than AMD.
Companies just need to grow a pair and take a stand.
If all they do is take it and never take a stand, then EVGA will eventually fail anyway.

Its not easy for a company to make a major change like that. It would be easier to introduce Amd products and either have Nvidia leave or eventually phased out. A company cannot make a major change just like you can make the switch from Nvidia gpu to Amd or vice-versa. There's a lot at stake and could spell doom if they behave recklessly. There's also the scared-$hi7 investors. One whim of the company is doing a major change and it could send the investor running and selling their shares. Take a few business classes to understand its not as simple as you would want it to make wink.gif
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They probably just want their next gpu to have a higher percentage increase in performance compared to last generations. Not sure why they did that as it only hurts those who overclock, but if all the high end products are being bought, they are enthusiasts who try overclock anyways

This hits the nail right on the head.
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This is what happens when AMD is so pathetically non-competitive, imo. And I personally have a hard time caring when their product as-is is so vastly superior.

What the Christ are you smoking? Ignoring price the 7970 and 680 trade blows left and right, to the point of being equal. At 1440P+ resolution the 7970 is generally better.
Now factor in price, and Nvidia doesn't have a leg to stand on....

I can tell you right now, Nvidia has nothing available that competes with my 7970 that I picked up from Amazon for $302....yes, you read that right, 7970 for $302.
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I think there's more going on behind the scenes than just that. There's the possibility of A. nVidia will void warranty on ALL their cards, not just the ones that get overvolting...

This is how I read it. Nvidia gives EVGA the Slate which to build on, so technically That is the GPU they are talking about. When EVGA modifies it to their own specs for overclocking they violate Nvidias warranty policy. Thus all EVGA GPU's would then not have warranty from Nvidia.

It has nothing to do with EVGA's end product specifically. So a EVGA 680 would have warranty and a EVGA 680 SSC/FTW would not, it would mean that ALL EVGA 680's would not have warranty, or in a more severe case No EVGA GPU's would have warranty.
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This is what happens when AMD is so pathetically non-competitive, imo. And I personally have a hard time caring when their product as-is is so vastly superior.

This doesn't make any sense. After AMD's last driver update they at this point have the faster card. By a pretty decent margin as well.

Your opinion is wrong.
    
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