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10/25/12 at 8:41am
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This doesn't make any sense. After AMD's last driver update they at this point have the faster card. By a pretty decent margin as well.
Your opinion is wrong.

Odd that he hasn't shown up to discuss any further.



Funny too how his signature mentions turning tessellation and dx11 off for AMD cards to compete with nVidia, while the 680 is being beaten heartily with both on, even before the driver update. Interesting.
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10/25/12 at 8:52am
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Why should I turn off tessellation in order to level the playing field? Why should I confine my tests to DX10? Fanboys already demand that nVidia users turn off PhysX for "comparability". Now tessellation too?

At what point do you stop and consider that instead of leveling the playing field you're just dumbing down one product so that you can feel better about your own?

Lol? I don't see any fanboys "demanding" that you do that... If anyone is a fanboy, it's you. I personally own 2 570s and have a 7970 on the way because I know AMD is actually sort of "ahead" right now. 7970 is topping the 680 clock for clock, overclocks higher, and has an extra GB of VRAM.
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10/25/12 at 8:56am
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The tesselation thing is from the GTX400 and Radeon 5000 times. The 5800 series had abysmal tess performance compared to NV and yes some people did consider DX11 tests unfair because of this.

It's not relevant at all now though. And the PhysX never made any sense, it was just artificially inflating the score (it's referring to vantage). Probably why futuremark switched the default option to PhysX off.
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10/25/12 at 9:18am
I'd get it if he said he just liked Nvidia more. That's totally cool. He used the word non-competitive though.
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I'd get it if he said he just liked Nvidia more. That's totally cool. He used the word non-competitive though.
Agreed. It's the principle of the matter.
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10/25/12 at 10:42am
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Its not easy for a company to make a major change like that. It would be easier to introduce Amd products and either have Nvidia leave or eventually phased out. A company cannot make a major change just like you can make the switch from Nvidia gpu to Amd or vice-versa. There's a lot at stake and could spell doom if they behave recklessly. There's also the scared-$hi7 investors. One whim of the company is doing a major change and it could send the investor running and selling their shares. Take a few business classes to understand its not as simple as you would want it to make wink.gif

remember XFX?!?! Nvidia ---> AMD they are still here and running strong; anyway, no matter how many excuses a person can find.. its all about the money, and its more than proved over time the way Nvidia "thinks" and take actions.. specially from the infamous CEO rolleyes.gif


If they make this move... wasnt for the benefit of customers, no matter how hard you think it is (not you, everyone biggrin.gif )
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10/25/12 at 10:44am
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remember XFX?!?! Nvidia ---> AMD they are still here and running strong; anyway, no matter how many excuses a person can find.. its all about the money, and its more than proved over time the way Nvidia "thinks" and take actions.. specially from the infamous CEO rolleyes.gif
If they make this move... wasnt for the benefit of customers, no matter how hard you think it is (not you, everyone biggrin.gif )

XFX makes terrible cheap video cards. No one should even consider buying them.
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10/25/12 at 11:08am
Since the 8800 gt, nvidia really wasn't competitive to AMD on price to performance standpoint, yet people still bought the nvidia cards.

In the last 3 gens did people buy the cards for physx or 3dvision?

Did they buy the cards because you could overvolt the cards with software?

The answer is no to both questions. The reason fan boys buy nvidia is because of the perception that the cards are better. Nvidia realizes this and are doing what they do.

At the core (pun intended), they are doing the same thing they've done in the last 3 generations. That is, overcharge at the same AMD pricepoint because they think the other intangibles make up for it.

If we think the voltage lock will stop fan boys from buying nvidia cards then we are wrong. Overpricing the cards didn't stop them.
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10/25/12 at 11:50am
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*Snip* In the last 3 gens did people buy the cards for physx or 3dvision?
Did they buy the cards because you could overvolt the cards with software?
The answer is no to both questions. *snip*

Yes I did. In fact Nvidia does 3-D vision much better. I left AMD for a 3D Vision gaming system when the 580 came out. I'm actually very pleased with Nvidia. Without voltage I got a 255 MHz overclock on my 690 Core with no voltage increase and if I want real 3-D vision I'm forced to stick with Nvidia.

So don't assume no one is buying NVidia for 3-D vision. It's a small percent albeit, but we are out here. See 3-D vision club link in signature. smile.gif
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10/25/12 at 11:58am
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remember XFX?!?! Nvidia ---> AMD they are still here and running strong; anyway, no matter how many excuses a person can find.. its all about the money, and its more than proved over time the way Nvidia "thinks" and take actions.. specially from the infamous CEO rolleyes.gif
If they make this move... wasnt for the benefit of customers, no matter how hard you think it is (not you, everyone biggrin.gif )

Yes, that's what my post and statement was really pulling from. As I've said, its not easy, especially with your customer base. But in this case, the consumer might be more inclined to approve. Whether top management and the investor see it that way, I don't think so wink.gif, has yet to be determined if EVGA (or any other Nvidia only AIC) will do so.

Doesn't this remind you of some "strategic bullying" by major corporations (ie Apple, WalMart, etc.)??? biggrin.gif
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XFX makes terrible cheap video cards. No one should even consider buying them.

They're not the best company and I surely would consider other AIC before XFX. You hear a lot of horror stories of bad customer service enough to make a potential XFX customer wary of them.
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