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post #1381 of 1963
Proud owner of the NZXT Phantom 820
My daughter calls this build the Pink Phantom.
I enjoy this case it was this or the 900D I pick this as I just like the style so much.

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post #1382 of 1963
Hello, NZXT Phantom 820 owners.

Long-time overclocker, first time water-cooling n00b here.

So when my old i7 920 OC system started getting a little long in the tooth, I started shopping around for the next cutting edge rig that would hopefully last me 4-5 years like my last one. Due to the new CPU and GPU tendencies to be hotter and hotter than previous gen components, I decided to dip my toe in the water cooling reservoir, so to speak. With that in mind, I did a lot of research and decided to build my own custom loop. Once I had decided THAT, I started looking for the ideal case...and settled on the Phantom 820 due to its out-of-the-box support for 2+ radiators and plenty of room for a custom loop.

In fact, this bit of NZXT Marketing Copy for the Phantom 820 even helped me (I thought) figure out what size radiators to get for my first custom loop: "Push the envelope and utilize liquid cooling systems that feature a push-pull configuration with top 280/360mm and bottom 240/280mm radiators up to 2 1/3 inches (60mm) thickness for unmatched performance."

So after I had settled on the case and done research on which components I wanted, I picked up an Alphacool UT60 Full Copper 360 for push/pull up top and a "little brother" Alphacool UT60 240 for push/pull along the bottom. I also grabbed all 10 of the Scythe Gentle Typhoon fans I spied at my local Microcenter.

Those of you paying attention will already have noticed my current dilemma.

Despite the marketing copy which appears to indicate to the contrary, the Phantom 820 doesn't actually support a 60mm thick rad in push/pull on the top. With the UT60 360 mounted under the frame, the 3 gentle typhoons will fit above the frame and under the top lid with no problem, so pull will work fine. But the front-most push fan encounters the steel top of the permanent drive cage at the front of the case. And having the nozzles at the front would make things even more crowded.

Of course, rotating the radiator 180 degrees so the nozzles are at the back of the case then encroaches on the rear fan, even if I lose the stock 140mm fan and replace it with a 120mm Gentle Typhoon.

I was so disappointed I haven't even tried to fit my motherboard in yet to see if the push fans on the bottom of a UT60 would occlude some of the motherboard wiring...but I'm betting it'll either be a no-go or *extremely* tight.

Le sigh.

So I'm thinking there's probably very little I can do to get this UT60x360 successfully into the 820 in push/pull...but I thought I'd reach out to the experts here and ask. I have a dremel and am not opposed to modding, but at this point I don't think even modding the case by cutting the main drive cage would allow me to get the 60mm thick 360mm long rad at the top of the case in push/pull due to the likely motherboard constraint. And if I cut the cage, where am I to install my blu-ray drive and the XSPC dual 5.25" bay reservoir with the Swiftech 655-PWM pump?

Any thoughts? Should I just exchange my UT60 for an XT45 and shrug it off as a learning opportunity? Or am I missing a potential solution?

P.S. Haven't set up my sig yet, so here are all the components for my new rig (all of which are now in hand):
Code:
SYSTEM:
-------
Case:  NZXT Phantom 820
Board: ASUS Z87-PRO LGA 1150 Intel Z87
CPU:   Intel i4770K 3.5GHz "Haswell" Socket LGA 1150
RAM:   2x8GB G.Skill Ripjaws X, 2133 MHz, CL9
PSU:   Corsair AX860i 860W Modular
SSD 1: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD
HDD 1: Samsung F3 Spinpoint 1TB 7200 RPM HDD
HDD 2: Samsung F3 Spinpoint 1TB 7200 RPM HDD
GPU:   MSI AMD Radeon R9 290 4GD5
CDRW:  ASUS BW-12B1ST

COOLING:
--------
Pump/Res:  XSPC Dual 5.25" Bay Clear Reservoir w/ Swiftech 655-PWM
CPU Block: XSPC Raystorm Copper/Acetal
Rad 1:     Alphacool NexXxos UT60 360 (3x120mm)
Rad 2:     Alphacool NexXxos UT60 240 (2x120mm)
Fans:      10x Scythe Gentle Typhoon 120mm 1,850 RPM Fan
Tubing:    PrimoChill PrimoFlex Advanced LRT 3/8in.ID x 5/8in.OD 20'
Biocide:   PrimoChill 4" Anti-microbial Silver Coil
Fittings:  Lots of Koolance Nozzles, M12 Dbl Barb (10mm, 3/8" ID, w/ clamp)
post #1383 of 1963
BTW, IT Diva:
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Originally Posted by IT Diva View Post

A little update:


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Darlene

My jaw is literally on the floor with that mod. HOLY $#17. That is AWESOME.
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post #1384 of 1963
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Originally Posted by NotMandatory View Post

Hello, NZXT Phantom 820 owners.

Long-time overclocker, first time water-cooling n00b here.

So when my old i7 920 OC system started getting a little long in the tooth, I started shopping around for the next cutting edge rig that would hopefully last me 4-5 years like my last one. Due to the new CPU and GPU tendencies to be hotter and hotter than previous gen components, I decided to dip my toe in the water cooling reservoir, so to speak. With that in mind, I did a lot of research and decided to build my own custom loop. Once I had decided THAT, I started looking for the ideal case...and settled on the Phantom 820 due to its out-of-the-box support for 2+ radiators and plenty of room for a custom loop.

In fact, this bit of NZXT Marketing Copy for the Phantom 820 even helped me (I thought) figure out what size radiators to get for my first custom loop: "Push the envelope and utilize liquid cooling systems that feature a push-pull configuration with top 280/360mm and bottom 240/280mm radiators up to 2 1/3 inches (60mm) thickness for unmatched performance."

So after I had settled on the case and done research on which components I wanted, I picked up an Alphacool UT60 Full Copper 360 for push/pull up top and a "little brother" Alphacool UT60 240 for push/pull along the bottom. I also grabbed all 10 of the Scythe Gentle Typhoon fans I spied at my local Microcenter.

Those of you paying attention will already have noticed my current dilemma.

Despite the marketing copy which appears to indicate to the contrary, the Phantom 820 doesn't actually support a 60mm thick rad in push/pull on the top. With the UT60 360 mounted under the frame, the 3 gentle typhoons will fit above the frame and under the top lid with no problem, so pull will work fine. But the front-most push fan encounters the steel top of the permanent drive cage at the front of the case. And having the nozzles at the front would make things even more crowded.

Of course, rotating the radiator 180 degrees so the nozzles are at the back of the case then encroaches on the rear fan, even if I lose the stock 140mm fan and replace it with a 120mm Gentle Typhoon.

I was so disappointed I haven't even tried to fit my motherboard in yet to see if the push fans on the bottom of a UT60 would occlude some of the motherboard wiring...but I'm betting it'll either be a no-go or *extremely* tight.

Le sigh.

So I'm thinking there's probably very little I can do to get this UT60x360 successfully into the 820 in push/pull...but I thought I'd reach out to the experts here and ask. I have a dremel and am not opposed to modding, but at this point I don't think even modding the case by cutting the main drive cage would allow me to get the 60mm thick 360mm long rad at the top of the case in push/pull due to the likely motherboard constraint. And if I cut the cage, where am I to install my blu-ray drive and the XSPC dual 5.25" bay reservoir with the Swiftech 655-PWM pump?

Any thoughts? Should I just exchange my UT60 for an XT45 and shrug it off as a learning opportunity? Or am I missing a potential solution?

P.S. Haven't set up my sig yet, so here are all the components for my new rig (all of which are now in hand):

~snip~


Have a look at the "Mix 'n Match Twins" build log in my sig.

Those are 630's, but the top rad mod may work for the 820.

Study the build log pics and see if it'll work on the 820 case.

I seem to recall that some one else here has done that mod on his 820, buy I can't recall a name.

I can't recall for certain, but I'm pretty sure I have, checked to see how much clearance there is under the top plastic panel on the 820 or not, but for some reason, I think that with a tiny mod to the underside plastic, (little dremel and remove a screw) there's room for 38mm tall fans, which would mean there's at least 13mm more space with 25mm fans that a rad could be raised as I did in the "Twins" builds.

That's the only chance you'll probably have of getting a UT60 in there with P-P fans.


Darlene
Edited by IT Diva - 1/8/14 at 2:49am
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Originally Posted by NotMandatory View Post

Hello, NZXT Phantom 820 owners.

Long-time overclocker, first time water-cooling n00b here.

So when my old i7 920 OC system started getting a little long in the tooth, I started shopping around for the next cutting edge rig that would hopefully last me 4-5 years like my last one. Due to the new CPU and GPU tendencies to be hotter and hotter than previous gen components, I decided to dip my toe in the water cooling reservoir, so to speak. With that in mind, I did a lot of research and decided to build my own custom loop. Once I had decided THAT, I started looking for the ideal case...and settled on the Phantom 820 due to its out-of-the-box support for 2+ radiators and plenty of room for a custom loop.

In fact, this bit of NZXT Marketing Copy for the Phantom 820 even helped me (I thought) figure out what size radiators to get for my first custom loop: "Push the envelope and utilize liquid cooling systems that feature a push-pull configuration with top 280/360mm and bottom 240/280mm radiators up to 2 1/3 inches (60mm) thickness for unmatched performance."

So after I had settled on the case and done research on which components I wanted, I picked up an Alphacool UT60 Full Copper 360 for push/pull up top and a "little brother" Alphacool UT60 240 for push/pull along the bottom. I also grabbed all 10 of the Scythe Gentle Typhoon fans I spied at my local Microcenter.

Those of you paying attention will already have noticed my current dilemma.

Despite the marketing copy which appears to indicate to the contrary, the Phantom 820 doesn't actually support a 60mm thick rad in push/pull on the top. With the UT60 360 mounted under the frame, the 3 gentle typhoons will fit above the frame and under the top lid with no problem, so pull will work fine. But the front-most push fan encounters the steel top of the permanent drive cage at the front of the case. And having the nozzles at the front would make things even more crowded.

Of course, rotating the radiator 180 degrees so the nozzles are at the back of the case then encroaches on the rear fan, even if I lose the stock 140mm fan and replace it with a 120mm Gentle Typhoon.

I was so disappointed I haven't even tried to fit my motherboard in yet to see if the push fans on the bottom of a UT60 would occlude some of the motherboard wiring...but I'm betting it'll either be a no-go or *extremely* tight.

Le sigh.

So I'm thinking there's probably very little I can do to get this UT60x360 successfully into the 820 in push/pull...but I thought I'd reach out to the experts here and ask. I have a dremel and am not opposed to modding, but at this point I don't think even modding the case by cutting the main drive cage would allow me to get the 60mm thick 360mm long rad at the top of the case in push/pull due to the likely motherboard constraint. And if I cut the cage, where am I to install my blu-ray drive and the XSPC dual 5.25" bay reservoir with the Swiftech 655-PWM pump?

Any thoughts? Should I just exchange my UT60 for an XT45 and shrug it off as a learning opportunity? Or am I missing a potential solution?

P.S. Haven't set up my sig yet, so here are all the components for my new rig (all of which are now in hand):
Code:
SYSTEM:
-------
Case:  NZXT Phantom 820
Board: ASUS Z87-PRO LGA 1150 Intel Z87
CPU:   Intel i4770K 3.5GHz "Haswell" Socket LGA 1150
RAM:   2x8GB G.Skill Ripjaws X, 2133 MHz, CL9
PSU:   Corsair AX860i 860W Modular
SSD 1: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD
HDD 1: Samsung F3 Spinpoint 1TB 7200 RPM HDD
HDD 2: Samsung F3 Spinpoint 1TB 7200 RPM HDD
GPU:   MSI AMD Radeon R9 290 4GD5
CDRW:  ASUS BW-12B1ST

COOLING:
--------
Pump/Res:  XSPC Dual 5.25" Bay Clear Reservoir w/ Swiftech 655-PWM
CPU Block: XSPC Raystorm Copper/Acetal
Rad 1:     Alphacool NexXxos UT60 360 (3x120mm)
Rad 2:     Alphacool NexXxos UT60 240 (2x120mm)
Fans:      10x Scythe Gentle Typhoon 120mm 1,850 RPM Fan
Tubing:    PrimoChill PrimoFlex Advanced LRT 3/8in.ID x 5/8in.OD 20'
Biocide:   PrimoChill 4" Anti-microbial Silver Coil
Fittings:  Lots of Koolance Nozzles, M12 Dbl Barb (10mm, 3/8" ID, w/ clamp)
Did you remove the top drive bay? Also why dont you do what I have done and that is use the 120mm fans to push and then the top 200's to pull out? I think that makes better sense. So 120mm>Rad>200mm instead of 120mm>rad>120mm.
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post #1386 of 1963
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Hello, NZXT Phantom 820 owners.

[snip]
TLDR; version: the NZXT Marketing People Lied To Me And Now My Preferred, In-Hand 360mm Rad Won't Fit! tongue.gif
~snip~

Have a look at the "Mix 'n Match Twins" build log in my sig.

Those are 630's, but the top rad mod may work for the 820.

Study the build log pics and see if it'll work on the 820 case.

I seem to recall that some one else here has done that mod on his 820, buy I can't recall a name.

I can't recall for certain, but I'm pretty sure I have, checked to see how much clearance there is under the top plastic panel on the 820 or not, but for some reason, I think that with a tiny mod to the underside plastic, (little dremel and remove a screw) there's room for 38mm tall fans, which would mean there's at least 13mm more space with 25mm fans that a rad could be raised as I did in the "Twins" builds.

That's the only chance you'll probably have of getting a UT60 in there with P-P fans.

Darlene

Thanks, Darlene.

I'll take a look at that and see if I might be able to pull it off. Something like that might be a little more effort than I was hoping to put into it, however...we'll see how energetic I feel.

I've already gotten confirmation that I definitely cannot return the UT60 360 for exchange since I removed it from the box and mounted it to the frame as a trial fitting, so I may just opt to buy an XT45 and chalk up the $100 UT60 as a lesson in believing marketing copy without checking with real users first. wink.gif
post #1387 of 1963
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Did you remove the top drive bay?

Yeah, although the top "bay" is really only the two steel sides. The top of the top bay is just the case frame and the bottom of the top bay is really the top of the "permanent" drive cage. Since my issue was up-down clearance rather than side clearance, removing the top bay's sides didn't really do much other than help me more easily see where the problem was. redface.gif

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Also why dont you do what I have done and that is use the 120mm fans to push and then the top 200's to pull out? I think that makes better sense. So 120mm>Rad>200mm instead of 120mm>rad>120mm.

Well, I obviously could use the stock 200mm fans up top...but the fans above the frame are not the issue. My preferred fans, the Gentle Typhoons, can be mounted where the stock 200mm fans go with no problem. So sticking with the stock fans doesn't gain me anything.

The problem is the push fans below the radiator.

The other interesting issue was the XSPC Dual 5.25" Bay Reservoir. It doesn't fit in the Phantom 820 front bays. The bay is like 1mm or 2mm too small so the reservoir won't go all the way in and sit flush in the bay. I thought at first it might be the XSPC bay hadn't been machined to the proper width, but I stuck it in my old PC's Antec 1200 case to verify that and it fit like a glove. So clearly the 820's 5.25" bays are not to spec...which really surprised me. I wouldn't expect there to be any variance in bay width from case to case. *shrug*
post #1388 of 1963
I've always love NZXT cases and when it was time for me to build my next rig I knew the 820 was the case for me. Right now this case has all my media storage but I plan on moving most of the drives out to another rig and making this one the platform for my first custom loop smile.gif.
post #1389 of 1963
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Yeah, although the top "bay" is really only the two steel sides. The top of the top bay is just the case frame and the bottom of the top bay is really the top of the "permanent" drive cage. Since my issue was up-down clearance rather than side clearance, removing the top bay's sides didn't really do much other than help me more easily see where the problem was. redface.gif
Well, I obviously could use the stock 200mm fans up top...but the fans above the frame are not the issue. My preferred fans, the Gentle Typhoons, can be mounted where the stock 200mm fans go with no problem. So sticking with the stock fans doesn't gain me anything.

The problem is the push fans below the radiator.

The other interesting issue was the XSPC Dual 5.25" Bay Reservoir. It doesn't fit in the Phantom 820 front bays. The bay is like 1mm or 2mm too small so the reservoir won't go all the way in and sit flush in the bay. I thought at first it might be the XSPC bay hadn't been machined to the proper width, but I stuck it in my old PC's Antec 1200 case to verify that and it fit like a glove. So clearly the 820's 5.25" bays are not to spec...which really surprised me. I wouldn't expect there to be any variance in bay width from case to case. *shrug*

I am facing something similar, but I am looking to have a silent rig. So going with thinner rads and less fans.

Question: Are you not able to close the door completely with the XSPC BayRes or does it only visually stick out?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NotMandatory View Post

Yeah, although the top "bay" is really only the two steel sides. The top of the top bay is just the case frame and the bottom of the top bay is really the top of the "permanent" drive cage. Since my issue was up-down clearance rather than side clearance, removing the top bay's sides didn't really do much other than help me more easily see where the problem was. redface.gif
Well, I obviously could use the stock 200mm fans up top...but the fans above the frame are not the issue. My preferred fans, the Gentle Typhoons, can be mounted where the stock 200mm fans go with no problem. So sticking with the stock fans doesn't gain me anything.

The problem is the push fans below the radiator.

The other interesting issue was the XSPC Dual 5.25" Bay Reservoir. It doesn't fit in the Phantom 820 front bays. The bay is like 1mm or 2mm too small so the reservoir won't go all the way in and sit flush in the bay. I thought at first it might be the XSPC bay hadn't been machined to the proper width, but I stuck it in my old PC's Antec 1200 case to verify that and it fit like a glove. So clearly the 820's 5.25" bays are not to spec...which really surprised me. I wouldn't expect there to be any variance in bay width from case to case. *shrug*

I am facing something similar, but I am looking to have a silent rig. So going with thinner rads and less fans.

Question: Are you not able to close the door completely with the XSPC BayRes or does it only visually stick out?
My XSPC dual bay 750 pump/res fits perfectly. I will get pics for you when I get back from work.thumb.gif
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Samsung HD502HI and Samsung HD502IJ LG DVD-RW CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO Windows 7 home premium 64bit 
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LG E2341V Microsoft Wired 600 FSP ATX 700-82GHN Aerocool PGS-V series VX-9 Pro Battle Edition 
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Verbatim Rapier V2 Creative SBS 370 
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Intel Celeron G1840 MSI Z97-Guard Pro Gigabyte RX580 Gaming 4G Gigabyte RX570 Gaming 4G 
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XFX RX480 reference edition 8G Gigabyte RX570 Gaming 4g Gigabyte RX570 Gaming 4G G-Skill Ares F3-1600C9D 
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Samsung 750 Evo 120GB Stock  Windows 10 Pro  Gigabyte XP1200M 
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