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I doubt you'll be able to get Linux on normal employees. Unless your company is made up of geeks.

Not as of October 2012 to be sure ... but it is getting there. Great strides have been made in the last 5 years for Linux on the desktop. Given another 5 years ... which is when the next "crisis point" for Windows 7 users ... it very well be ready.
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There is NOTHING in Windows 8 that COULDN'T have been implemented in a Windows 7 Service Pack.
That's true of any Windows features. I mean, we could be on XP service pack 13 or something...

You know that is only true if you have unlimited time to do it. Windows Vista broke compatibility with many Windows XP programs and they spent most of the time until Service Pack 1 and even afterwards delivering patches to improve / fix compatibility issues. They changed many low level things in Windows Vista for it to have been feasible to just upgrade a Windows XP machine and leave everything working, with all your programs installed. That is why you couldn't do a straight upgrade of the OS, you had to do a clean install.

The transition from Windows Vista to 7 wasn't so pronounced, and the truth is that they back ported many features with the Platform Update.

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I look forward to Windows 8 for my HTPC, however my main rig will stay duall booted Fedora/Win7.

You will be upgrading right now, right ? If you do it later you will have to pay for the Media Center pack.
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post #103 of 193
Won't they just release a new Technet .ISO eventually with more of the updates already included?
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post #104 of 193
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You know that is only true if you have unlimited time to do it. Windows Vista broke compatibility with many Windows XP programs and they spent most of the time until Service Pack 1 and even afterwards delivering patches to improve / fix compatibility issues. They changed many low level things in Windows Vista for it to have been feasible to just upgrade a Windows XP machine and leave everything working, with all your programs installed. That is why you couldn't do a straight upgrade of the OS, you had to do a clean install.
The transition from Windows Vista to 7 wasn't so pronounced, and the truth is that they back ported many features with the Platform Update.
You will be upgrading right now, right ? If you do it later you will have to pay for the Media Center pack.
Wasn't aware of the last part. What does the Media Center pack consist of? I currently use XBMC with the CCCP Codec pack.
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So here is the REALITY:
Service Pack is not NEEDED. There has been no CLAMOR for a service pack. Now that MS says they will likely not release a SP, people want to throw a stink. So I believe this has nothing to do with the functionality of W7 as much as it has to do with people being self entitled. Again, people have previously mentioned slip streaming updates into ISOs like you would a SP...but of course, people want to still complain about this option which is basically the same thing as slip-streaming a SP. On top of all that. If the Billion dollar company with 30,000 employees that I work for is anything like most any other company, the corperate IT dept manages the Windows Updates. They allow and update as they choose...not necassarily at the time the update is released. This includes SP. So I dont see why a SP would even be much of a concern for IT for many businesses like this.
Self entitled? Nowhere did anyone say we're entitled to this, you sanctimonious git. It'd just be nice to have.

You seem to be ignorant of something that's rather obvious — you can't always run your custom Win7 disks in IT. Never underestimate the stupidity of management bureaucracy. Then there's the people that buy new computers with Windows 7 on them that aren't so computer inclined. Do you know how many people bring in computers to us that have never been updated? A lot.
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You know that is only true if you have unlimited time to do it. Windows Vista broke compatibility with many Windows XP programs and they spent most of the time until Service Pack 1 and even afterwards delivering patches to improve / fix compatibility issues. They changed many low level things in Windows Vista for it to have been feasible to just upgrade a Windows XP machine and leave everything working, with all your programs installed. That is why you couldn't do a straight upgrade of the OS, you had to do a clean install.
Oh, not only that, I mean it would be a pretty bad business decision to do that anyway. They'd anger their corporate clients by changing the OS in just "updates". That's why even Ubuntu for example has LTS updates. They'd end up having to support multiple service packs rather than multiple OS versions.
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Wow.

that's actually not too surprising since most people live in their browser.
Good point tongue.gif

Many of them use open office or Libre office. All use Evolution or Thunderbird for email. and we have several in house developed apps which we migrated to Linux on both the server and desktop side. Over all the change was not to difficult for our user base. and the benefits made it worth the initial work.

For those wondering, the benefits have been
all users are running without any sudo access (most of the XP desktops had to be set up with the user as a local admin to allow certain apps to work) This also makes computer viruses a non issue.
remote management- it is far easier to mange the computers from a single location using shell scripts.(we have a user base in several states)
We do have a few "windows only" applications that we publish out to the Linux users from our Citrix farm to run seamlessly on their desktops. This allows us to keep licensing under control and also allows us better utilize hardware resources.
It has completely prevented the installation of non approved apps

Realistically we have had great experiences in brining the Linux desktop to our users. and several of them have since migrated to Linux at home as well with our assistance.
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You don't have to use it. Use the numerous other products out there if you dislike it so much. I dont hear yall complaining about that fact that Chevy Impala doesn't come in deisel...no you just went and bought that car you wanted. And you may not like the idea that mobile OS and desktop OS are now one...you might not like tablets all together. Again...dont buy one. But your complaining on the idea of tablet computing is not going to change anything. If it hasn't become blatantly apparent yet, tablets are the future.

I generally agree with you with regards to you comments about mobile computing and tablets, etc.

But here is where your logic fails.

IF Microsoft had, as I suggested earlier, the cell phone, lap top, tablet, and gaming console OS the same and had a separate OS for the desktop, then you would be 100% correct, and people could just not buy Windows 8 (aka Windows Mobile) and would have no good reason to complain that their desktop was looking and acting like a mobile device.

But that isn't the case. Microsoft is going to be FORCING people to move to their "Mobile Platform" eventually. Eventually they will not make Windows 7 anymore and eventually they will not support it. Thus people will not have the option of not using Windows 8 or 9 or 10 if they wish to remain connected to the internet and thus open themselves up to attack.

Therefor, people DO have a right to "poo poo" the mobile market, since they are going to be FORCED to deal with it.

As far as tablets being the future ... MAYBE you are right. But then again, people have been saying the electric car is the future, and they have been saying that for 105 years now. Since you are so good at predicting the future, mind telling me the winning lotto numbers for this week? wink.gif

Microsoft has made many predictions on what people have wanted and what the future will be ... and they have failed many times at that.

The Paperclip Help, Red Ring of Death, Microsoft Office 365, Windows Bob, Windows ME, MSN Smart Watch, MSN Music, PlayForSure, Kin, Zune, just to name a few, were all pretty much total disasters for Microsoft.
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Self entitled? Nowhere did anyone say we're entitled to this, you sanctimonious git. It'd just be nice to have.
You seem to be ignorant of something that's rather obvious — you can't always run your custom Win7 disks in IT. Never underestimate the stupidity of management bureaucracy. Then there's the people that buy new computers with Windows 7 on them that aren't so computer inclined. Do you know how many people bring in computers to us that have never been updated? A lot.

Well, if you're are not one of the people who are acting entitled, then I wouldn't worry about the comment. but I think it is pretty obvious when people are acting as such. Just can't stand the pointless ranting...actually it's not too bad on this forum, which is a relief:)
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You don't have to use it. Use the numerous other products out there if you dislike it so much. I dont hear yall complaining about that fact that Chevy Impala doesn't come in deisel...no you just went and bought that car you wanted. And you may not like the idea that mobile OS and desktop OS are now one...you might not like tablets all together. Again...dont buy one. But your complaining on the idea of tablet computing is not going to change anything. If it hasn't become blatantly apparent yet, tablets are the future.

I generally agree with you with regards to you comments about mobile computing and tablets, etc.

But here is where your logic fails.

IF Microsoft had, as I suggested earlier, the cell phone, lap top, tablet, and gaming console OS the same and had a separate OS for the desktop, then you would be 100% correct, and people could just not buy Windows 8 (aka Windows Mobile) and would have no good reason to complain that their desktop was looking and acting like a mobile device.

But that isn't the case. Microsoft is going to be FORCING people to move to their "Mobile Platform" eventually. Eventually they will not make Windows 7 anymore and eventually they will not support it. Thus people will not have the option of not using Windows 8 or 9 or 10 if they wish to remain connected to the internet and thus open themselves up to attack.

Therefor, people DO have a right to "poo poo" the mobile market, since they are going to be FORCED to deal with it.

As far as tablets being the future ... MAYBE you are right. But then again, people have been saying the electric car is the future, and they have been saying that for 105 years now. Since you are so good at predicting the future, mind telling me the winning lotto numbers for this week? wink.gif

Microsoft has made many predictions on what people have wanted and what the future will be ... and they have failed many times at that.

The Paperclip Help, Red Ring of Death, Microsoft Office 365, Windows Bob, Windows ME, MSN Smart Watch, MSN Music, PlayForSure, Kin, Zune, just to name a few, were all pretty much total disasters for Microsoft.
Sorry to nitpick on your post, but how was Clippy a fail?

EDIT: Sorry, just remebered it was only me who liked him tongue.gif
Edited by 3930K - 10/25/12 at 8:04am
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