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sorry, no. VBox is a PITA, I'm hoping for a free virtualizing program that is not Oracle. I haven't tried VMWare, but that's mainly cos Client doesn't seem very good at all. Most comparisons of cleint HyperV are against Workstation, which weighs in at £170. And even then it's mixed results. That's just another thing that I like.
Also, have you ever tried to run chkdsk on someone's old IDE HDD? It takes over 3 hours to scan if it finds a single bad sector. In win 8 it only scans the bad sector. Drastic reduction of time is not enough. I've heard 2 second figures for thins being thrown around.

VMWare is nice. I've used many of the various visualization programs, and they all have their pro's and cons (mainly for my Folding@Home uses, but also to test various OS's, from DOS to Win95, Win98, Win2k, Win8, and 3 different distro's of Linux ... to check for program compatibility for our custom software we develop.). But to get back to the issue, I don't see a "licensing issue" as a "technical reason" for not doing it. To me, all that means is that negotiations failed (most likely because of a lack of desire to make it happen on Microsoft side, because an updated Windows 7 would be a threat to Windows 8).

Yes, I have run checkdisk on IDE drives. I've run them on RLL, MFM and other drives as well. Yes it takes longer, but then again, so did doing a COMPSURF on my Novell file server back in the 1980s. But I have to wonder, how many people who are still running an IDE hard drive will upgrade to Windows 8, just because they do a CHKDSK once a year?
But is VMWare CLIENT good? I have no doubt that Workstation and up are excellent, in fact my school uses them. But CLIENT which is their free version is not good enough for me. Sure, the SLAT requirement is a bit annoying. But HyperV probably outclasses all the free virtualization clients in the market. You know how much I need that?

Just because? None. For many reasons? Quite a few, and this only sweetens the deal.

@tpi2007:

You proposing that they don't even know what they're doing yet is not a FACT.
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But is VMWare CLIENT good?

Yes. For what I used it for ... basic OS/program testing as well as speeding up/getting more PPD with Folding@Home on a machine that has to run Windows 7, using the free version VMWare worked wonders. In many cases, using VMWare and Linux to fold got me TWICE as many PPD as running folding in Windows 7.

I don't know what more you want from it (unless you are talking about certain things to make installing it easier), but in my opinion, it does what all good software does ... it just works.
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And maybe I'm just stating facts, like an objective potential consumer should be ?
How is that and"out-of-base" complaint? It's a legitimate question. Had I'd been using the Windows Media Center on my current machine if I were to upgrade I would want the same base funtionality that I currently have. If Microsoft isn't listing those features yet how is a consumer to know if they should upgrade? lol. Either way I use 3rd party software, but Media Center is a nice out of the box feature that is simple to use and setup for people who don't want to take the time and properly setup XBMC or some other alternative.
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But is VMWare CLIENT good?

Yes. For what I used it for ... basic OS/program testing as well as speeding up/getting more PPD with Folding@Home on a machine that has to run Windows 7, using the free version VMWare worked wonders. In many cases, using VMWare and Linux to fold got me TWICE as many PPD as running folding in Windows 7.

I don't know what more you want from it (unless you are talking about certain things to make installing it easier), but in my opinion, it does what all good software does ... it just works.
I want:
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1080p support
USB support
Networking support
Fullscreen support
VT-x support
post #125 of 193
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sorry, no. VBox is a PITA, I'm hoping for a free virtualizing program that is not Oracle. I haven't tried VMWare, but that's mainly cos Client doesn't seem very good at all. Most comparisons of cleint HyperV are against Workstation, which weighs in at £170. And even then it's mixed results. That's just another thing that I like.
Also, have you ever tried to run chkdsk on someone's old IDE HDD? It takes over 3 hours to scan if it finds a single bad sector. In win 8 it only scans the bad sector. Drastic reduction of time is not enough. I've heard 2 second figures for thins being thrown around.

VMWare is nice. I've used many of the various visualization programs, and they all have their pro's and cons (mainly for my Folding@Home uses, but also to test various OS's, from DOS to Win95, Win98, Win2k, Win8, and 3 different distro's of Linux ... to check for program compatibility for our custom software we develop.). But to get back to the issue, I don't see a "licensing issue" as a "technical reason" for not doing it. To me, all that means is that negotiations failed (most likely because of a lack of desire to make it happen on Microsoft side, because an updated Windows 7 would be a threat to Windows 8).

Yes, I have run checkdisk on IDE drives. I've run them on RLL, MFM and other drives as well. Yes it takes longer, but then again, so did doing a COMPSURF on my Novell file server back in the 1980s. But I have to wonder, how many people who are still running an IDE hard drive will upgrade to Windows 8, just because they do a CHKDSK once a year?

Yes VMware is nice, For 1-2 VMS. More than that and you are paying for it
I happen to run 8 different VMS on my windows 8 box so I cant use VMware free

On another note, The new kernel of server 2008R2 and Windows 8 and the reason the Hypervisor works as it does. I doubt you could just drop that in to windows 7 without some kernel level changes

Also add in some of the improved security features which would not work in windows 7
UEFI Secure Boot
Antimalware Preloading
Dynamic Access Control
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sorry, no. VBox is a PITA, I'm hoping for a free virtualizing program that is not Oracle. I haven't tried VMWare, but that's mainly cos Client doesn't seem very good at all. Most comparisons of cleint HyperV are against Workstation, which weighs in at £170. And even then it's mixed results. That's just another thing that I like.
Also, have you ever tried to run chkdsk on someone's old IDE HDD? It takes over 3 hours to scan if it finds a single bad sector. In win 8 it only scans the bad sector. Drastic reduction of time is not enough. I've heard 2 second figures for thins being thrown around.

VMWare is nice. I've used many of the various visualization programs, and they all have their pro's and cons (mainly for my Folding@Home uses, but also to test various OS's, from DOS to Win95, Win98, Win2k, Win8, and 3 different distro's of Linux ... to check for program compatibility for our custom software we develop.). But to get back to the issue, I don't see a "licensing issue" as a "technical reason" for not doing it. To me, all that means is that negotiations failed (most likely because of a lack of desire to make it happen on Microsoft side, because an updated Windows 7 would be a threat to Windows 8).

Yes, I have run checkdisk on IDE drives. I've run them on RLL, MFM and other drives as well. Yes it takes longer, but then again, so did doing a COMPSURF on my Novell file server back in the 1980s. But I have to wonder, how many people who are still running an IDE hard drive will upgrade to Windows 8, just because they do a CHKDSK once a year?

Yes VMware is nice, For 1-2 VMS. More than that and you are paying for it
I happen to run 8 different VMS on my windows 8 box so I cant use VMware free

On another note, The new kernel of server 2008R2 and Windows 8 and the reason the Hypervisor works as it does. I doubt you could just drop that in to windows 7 without some kernel level changes

Also add in some of the improved security features which would not work in windows 7
UEFI Secure Boot
Antimalware Preloading
Dynamic Access Control

Would hyperV be able to magae more than 2?
post #127 of 193
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BUT.....BUT.....THIS IS OCN. where people continuously hate on Win 8 because it's actually user friendly to the majority of people out there and not power users. Where people buy 64Gb of ram just to dick about on th desktop and play battlefield 3. There is not point trying to reason with this community. As stated previously, if you can slipstream service packs into the original ISO you can do the same for individual updates.
Even us power users don't have a problem with Windows 8. The Windows 8 hate doesn't come from counter productivity, because Windows 8 is better at multitasking then 7. It comes from people throwing their opinions around about how they don't like it. If the start menu interface was bright pink and couldn't be changed, I probably wouldn't like it either. But that wouldn't ultimately decide if its counter productive or not. The people who don't like it are the non-power users. Us power users don't let even the slightest change effect our productivity. I can use Windows 8 at a faster rate then most people here can use Windows 7 to do the same tasks. Windows 8 has been around for quite some time now, and I still have yet to see any legitimate video blog proving of how counter productive Windows 8 is. Why? Because it doesn't exist, the counter productivity is the end user and not the operating system.
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VMWare is nice. I've used many of the various visualization programs, and they all have their pro's and cons (mainly for my Folding@Home uses, but also to test various OS's, from DOS to Win95, Win98, Win2k, Win8, and 3 different distro's of Linux ... to check for program compatibility for our custom software we develop.). But to get back to the issue, I don't see a "licensing issue" as a "technical reason" for not doing it. To me, all that means is that negotiations failed (most likely because of a lack of desire to make it happen on Microsoft side, because an updated Windows 7 would be a threat to Windows 8).
Yes, I have run checkdisk on IDE drives. I've run them on RLL, MFM and other drives as well. Yes it takes longer, but then again, so did doing a COMPSURF on my Novell file server back in the 1980s. But I have to wonder, how many people who are still running an IDE hard drive will upgrade to Windows 8, just because they do a CHKDSK once a year?
A updated Windows 7 wouldn't serve any threat to Windows 8 as it doesn't now. Microsoft wont go through adding in the same kernel changes that really makes Windows 8 unique. The fact that the next greatest operating system is out the door, it doesn't really serve Microsoft any purpose to go back and update an old clunky operating system. Windows XP is still being supported, but I doubt we will ever see SP4. Microsoft will still provide "SP2" updates for Windows 7, you'll just have to download them through Windows Update.
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@tpi2007:

You proposing that they don't even know what they're doing yet is not a FACT.

Don't distort what I said, I stated facts and gave my opinion in the end. Don't try to mislead people who didn't read my posts by putting those two things together. I stated FACTS. Windows 8 launches tomorrow and consumers still don't have all the answers to make a decision. They made a blog post about it to supposedly inform you of the features but didn't say anything about what I said. If you are going to be secretive about a product launch like Apple is, fine, that is one thing. But if you keep talking about your OS and make three preview versions of it available to the general public, you better answer questions as well, otherwise you pass off as being eventually misleading. We're not talking about a feature that didn't exist previously and that could be regarded as a bonus and that they could legitimately regard as something they could hold on to until the release day.

No, we are talking about features that Windows 7 has. Removing them and making them available for an undisclosed fee is controversial, and is a question consumers should want to know before making the decision to upgrade, and Microsoft is understandably not very eager to answer. My opinion - and this is the opinion part - not answering these questions and not releasing the base version of Windows 8 at launch is indicative that they are still waiting for consumer feedback.

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And maybe I'm just stating facts, like an objective potential consumer should be ?
How is that and"out-of-base" complaint? It's a legitimate question. Had I'd been using the Windows Media Center on my current machine if I were to upgrade I would want the same base funtionality that I currently have. If Microsoft isn't listing those features yet how is a consumer to know if they should upgrade? lol. Either way I use 3rd party software, but Media Center is a nice out of the box feature that is simple to use and setup for people who don't want to take the time and properly setup XBMC or some other alternative.

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You have nothing to say that's nice and should have shut up.
As it is, I do use Alteris to image computers. But that's for lab computers in large batches. I custom load Windows 7 onto individual PCs for faculty and graduate students who want special software. And images don't stay up to date forever either. mad.gif
I don't quite see what special software has to do with win7 updates...
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@tpi2007:

You proposing that they don't even know what they're doing yet is not a FACT.

Don't distort what I said, I stated facts and gave my opinion in the end. Don't try to mislead people who didn't read my posts by putting those two things together. I stated FACTS. Windows 8 launches tomorrow and consumers still don't have all the answers to make a decision. They made a blog post about it to supposedly inform you of the features but didn't say anything about what I said. If you are going to be secretive about a product launch like Apple is, fine, that is one thing. But if you keep talking about your OS and make three preview versions of it available to the general public, you better answer questions as well, otherwise you pass off as being eventually misleading. We're not talking about a feature that didn't exist previously and that could be regarded as a bonus and that they could legitimately regard as something they could hold on to until the release day.

No, we are talking about features that Windows 7 has. Removing them and making them available for an undisclosed fee is controversial, and is a question consumers should want to know before making the decision to upgrade, and Microsoft is understandably not very eager to answer. My opinion - and this is the opinion part - not answering these questions and not releasing the base version of Windows 8 at launch is indicative that they are still waiting for consumer feedback.

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And maybe I'm just stating facts, like an objective potential consumer should be ?
How is that and"out-of-base" complaint? It's a legitimate question. Had I'd been using the Windows Media Center on my current machine if I were to upgrade I would want the same base funtionality that I currently have. If Microsoft isn't listing those features yet how is a consumer to know if they should upgrade? lol. Either way I use 3rd party software, but Media Center is a nice out of the box feature that is simple to use and setup for people who don't want to take the time and properly setup XBMC or some other alternative.

Thanks!

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