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Isn't negativity towards this news basically a complaint that there aren't enough problems in Windows 7 to warrant a service pack?
So the actual problem is that Windows 7 doesn't have enough problems?
Kay O_o

So just to conclude this thread.

We hate Windows 7 because there aren't enough problems.

We hate Windows 8 because there are too many problems.

Then computer enthusiasts wonder why companies don't care for our opinion anymore.

We asked for Dark Souls, all we did is have temper tantrums every time they released some information about.

They simply cannot win with us. We're the spoiled brat in the corner who just likes to complain for the sake of complaining.

That's OCN in a nutshell. Seriously...

I like Windows 7, wish we could get the new TaskManager, Kernel, and File I/O through a SP. Pretty nifty stuff. If I recall, Service Packs in the past while cumulative patches, but also added features. Perhaps people are disappointed that Windows 7 is essentially as good as it gets now.
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Isn't Win7 really Win Vista SP2? smile.gif
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Isn't Win7 really Win Vista SP2? smile.gif
A supposedly "inside source" at Microsoft said that. It's more then Vista SP2, but Vista did get extremely stable after SP2.
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Thanks! Rep+ The answer is there, I just wish it wasn't that hard to find.
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Alternatively, you can acquire the Windows 8 Media Center Pack or the Windows 8 Pro Pack post upgrade. Both Packs include Windows Media Center, including the ability to play DVDs.

In any case, their argument doesn't add up.

In one paragraph they say:
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Why can’t I just pay for DVD when I need it?
When we have DVD playback capabilities in software broadly like in Windows 7, there is no way to distinguish whether the PC will ever play a DVD disc but still this cost is carried on every PC. While we might think that the best solution is some sort of “just in time” charge back to Microsoft based on telemetry or an “anytime upgrade” this is not how the third-party licensing programs work as described above. So there isn't an approach where you buy Windows or a PC and only “pay as you go” if DVD playback is provided “in the box”. Once it is distributed as a player, a license is required.

But then they say:
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Why can’t I buy a Windows 8 device that includes Windows Media Center pre-installed?
With the evolution of device form factors (tablets, thin and light, etc., none of which have optical drives) and change in media consumption patterns from optical disks and broadcast TV to online (Netflix, Youtube, Hulu, etc.), we concluded that we would no longer make DVD and broadcast TV capabilities available in all Windows editions, simply because the feature applies to a decreasing number of PCs sold. Instead, those capabilities will be available only to customers that want it via Add Windows Feature (aka Windows Anytime Upgrade). This ensures that the costs associated with playing DVDs and watching broadcast TV on PCs only apply to devices that have those capabilities and customers that want it.

In the first paragaph I quoted they admit the best solution could be based on a just in time need, where Microsoft would pay the licensors for the codec when users used the Windows Anytime Upgrade to download the codec, but they say that the licensing program doesn't work like that (yet their current "upgrade to Windows 8 Pro" promotion of getting the Media Center pack for free works exactly like that), while on the second paragraph I quoted they state that these features will indeed be available through Windows Anytime Upgrade.

The difference is that instead of Microsoft paying, it's you who has to pay, and pay more, because you have to buy the Windows Media Center Pack. If you just wanted to watch DVDs using Windows Media Player, and thus save some money by only buying the required codecs, you're out of luck.

Clever phrasing by Microsoft, but easy to catch a liar in this case. They could have just told the truth, they want to save money, nothing wrong with that, but pretending that they would have preferred they could have given the codecs for those that needed it, but they supposedly can't, is just wrong. And there is a way to check if the system has a DVD drive attached, that is also a false argument.
 
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If you're talking about slipstreaming a custom ISO, you can do that with any and all other updates, can't you?

Well if you work with xp which you probably don't you you would know XP sp3 install cd is god send unless like you downloading and installing 300 some odd updates one group after another for hours on end. Every time an SP comes out so does a new install cd with integrated updates. For a place about computers you all seem kind of ignorant some times.
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Thanks! Rep+ The answer is there, I just wish it wasn't that hard to find.
In any case, their argument doesn't add up.
In one paragraph they say:
But then they say:
In the first paragaph I quoted they admit the best solution could be based on a just in time need, where Microsoft would pay the licensors for the codec when users used the Windows Anytime Upgrade to download the codec, but they say that the licensing program doesn't work like that, while on the second paragraph I quoted they state that these features will indeed be available through Windows Anytime Upgrade.
The difference is that instead of Microsoft paying, it's you who has to pay, and pay more, because you have to buy the Windows Media Center Pack. If you just wanted to watch DVDs using Windows Media Player, and thus save some money by only buying the required codecs, you're out of luck.
Clever phrasing by Microsoft, but easy to catch a liar in this case. They could have just told the truth, they want to save money, nothing wrong with that, but pretending that they would have preferred they could have given the codecs for those that needed it, but they supposedly can't, is just wrong. And there is a way to check if the system has a DVD drive attached, that is also a false argument.

Download VLC.. end of story.

Most pre-built computers (HP Dell) will come with Cyblerlink or something along the lines which will allow you to playback DVDs with no problem.

I don't really understand the issue with people - you don't like Windows 8 - don't buy it. Want to be the same people who are still using XP because its 'BETTER' or 'EASIER' -go for it, be like the 80 year olds.

Otherwise realize that things change, you still have a desktop on Win8, and be done.
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Download VLC.. end of story.

Most pre-built computers (HP Dell) will come with Cyblerlink or something along the lines which will allow you to playback DVDs with no problem.

I don't really understand the issue with people - you don't like Windows 8 - don't buy it. Want to be the same people who are still using XP because its 'BETTER' or 'EASIER' -go for it, be like the 80 year olds.

Otherwise realize that things change, you still have a desktop on Win8, and be done.

Good luck using VLC with a Media Center remote. It can be done, but it's a mess.

As to all the rest you say, I was just pointing out facts.
 
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If you're talking about slipstreaming a custom ISO, you can do that with any and all other updates, can't you?

Well if you work with xp which you probably don't you you would know XP sp3 install cd is god send unless like you downloading and installing 300 some odd updates one group after another for hours on end. Every time an SP comes out so does a new install cd with integrated updates. For a place about computers you all seem kind of ignorant some times.

Right.

I'm the ignorant one, yet you don't even care to address what I was even saying? You can slipstream any and all Windows Updates onto an ISO. They don't have to be service packs. Demanding a service pack when all it's going to do is combine all updates after SP1 into a single package is pretty redundant. If you're as tech savvy as you make yourself to be, slipping updates onto your ISO is as easy as slipping a service pack onto it, and you should know that.
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Right.

I'm the ignorant one, yet you don't even care to address what I was even saying? You can slipstream any and all Windows Updates onto an ISO. They don't have to be service packs. Demanding a service pack when all it's going to do is combine all updates after SP1 into a single package is pretty redundant. If you're as tech savvy as you make yourself to be, slipping updates onto your ISO is as easy as slipping a service pack onto it, and you should know that.

Doing that is a lot more time consuming than just slipstreaming a Service Pack.
 
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